Smiti Mandana: World Cup Winner on Manifestation, Failure and the Price of Ambition

You've not been able to soak in the environment. >> Yeah. Yeah. 2017 World Cup final. I was

8 19 year old. I never knew what to do. I just went to B. Saw that first time women's cricket had 20 odd,000 people

and that's my first match at Lords. I went and the third ball is like zero out till I realized what's happening. I was

already out. >> You were not focused on the batting. You were focused on like

>> I wouldn't say I was focused that it's just that even if you're not focusing it, I feel it's more than avoiding it.

you should just embrace it. At that time I was avoiding it. >> Today's guest Summiti Mandana, one of

the biggest stars in Indian cricket. She opens up about the sacrifices behind success, bouncing back from failure,

handling expectations and constantly pushing herself to become better. >> Okay, take me on the day of final match

of the World Cup. You have to walk me through that day. Like >> morning I wake up for breakfast as

usual. Everyone's families were there. Indian cricket family went back did my mobility routine ground mal it's a

walking distance that we stayed at but I like 10 minutes drive to the stadium so for DIY patel matches I used to start

listening to songs on airports in room only >> so [laughter] that song I s Indian entry

song tuan was my go-to song for a very long time so first I enter I like kind of see and I just try and soak it in and

be comfortable around it because once you're comfortable you just feel like okay it's your space I have that routine

touch the down. Go sideways twice, sideways this twice, three back flips, look at the sun just near the 23 ys.

Like just do that. >> You have a 30inut rule. >> Yeah, it's a 30-minut rule. Like I

wouldn't dwell on anything in life, not only cricket. Anything in life 30 40 minutes.

>> I think I've got up done. >> Let me name like top emotion. Can you tell me what you feel about them? Like

what do you think about anger? If you get angry, you could talk something which would hurt the other

person a lot. So rather than hurting that person, just be quiet. >> How do you feel about sad as an emotion?

>> For me, I feel I just go quiet for a very long time. I hate sympathy. Any sort of sympathy.

I'm fine. Even if I've got I've had a bad World Cup. Don't look at me as I don't like to portray myself. I'm

strong. >> When was the last time you cried? >> Good question.

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description below. >> Okay. So let let me show you two pictures and you tell me what has

changed. hairstyle or [laughter]

hairstyle or there you go. >> Oh, so these are two different eras of

smiti. Okay, this is you when you started or probably little after that and then this is you right now. Tell me

just the differences and I'll write down. >> Oh,

>> what are the differences between the KDU versus who you are right now?

Interesting. I'm thinking loved batting. Loved batting. >> Don't tell me the similarities.

[laughter] We covered that. [gasps] >> Maybe I was very organized and

disciplined. This person is not that organized [laughter] and disciplined. >> I feel

>> I you know somehow I prefer my younger self more than my self. >> Why would you say so? I feel I was a lot

like a confident extra confident kid. I had like I'll show you like you know I was a very

like I would fight with anyone and fight with anyone and I would like show the world like what it is kind of a person I

was like fight with guys get my work done. And you know I was again very organized,

disciplined, very clean and neat and this person is not [laughter] I would say he's doing the same thing now.

>> What has changed? What [laughter] has how is this person today not organized at all?

>> I try and be but see we are traveling 11 months. It's so hard. >> It's literally very hard to be very

organized with your stuff. You're packing. You're literally living in a in a bag.

>> So, you just crush everything in a bag. >> No, no, no. I pack properly. >> Okay.

>> But I wouldn't say like my room would be really really clean after a day or two. Like again, it's not the worst.

[laughter and gasps] I have seen like I've seen a lot of people who are worse.

>> Okay. >> But I'm not worst. But this person was like school

subjects that seven books lines subject wise like iron your own uniform, polish your

shoes and keep like this was like ultra. I'm not saying I'm bad now, but this was like too much of a perfectionist.

>> So this is maybe not. Now my mom always says [clears throat] [laughter] perfectionist, confident and

what else? deep questions. [laughter] If you speak to my friends, they would

come and be like, "You're doing a podcast with Smitty. Are you mad?" [laughter]

That time I'm using my brother's bad. I think it's bad. It's not even my size. Look at my tiny hands and the bat size.

This is my own bat made for me specially with sponsors on it. It's a good change. >> It's a very good change.

>> It's a good change for women's cricket. I feel it's not only change good change for me. I think it's a good change for

women's cricket to have this virgin now. >> Yeah. >> And yeah, I don't know. I mean otherwise

I think pretty simil like chill only. I'm chill. I'm still chilling. Still scared of boo still scared of booth.

>> That's the similarity. So you you pointed out three specific things. Okay. Clearly you wanted to win and you're

winning. You still want to win. I'm sure that those things have not changed. >> Those things those things ambition will

keep probably you're more ambitious now than you were because you must have realized

>> the power of ambition and what you can achieve. >> Yeah. Yeah. I believe in manifestation a

lot and I believed I I think I watched the video like the secrets. I don't Yeah. So I I am a big big believer of

that. >> I can't read a lot. So I watched my mentor made me watch it.

>> Who was your mentor? So Amrita ma'am was someone who kind of at that age when I was 13 14 kind of took me under her

wings and yeah something she saw in me at that age I was very I was not ambitious at that time I would say I

loved cricket I love batting nicely enjoy you know I didn't have like

when she saw me and she saw the like I don't know what she saw join me, but she was like, "No, you're built for

something else." And all of that stuff. And then she started teaching me the kind of right things to do in terms of

fitness fielding. She was very strict with me at some point of my life. [laughter] And I would wake up at 5 a.m.

[laughter] I would wake up at 5:00 a.m. compulsory. I had to do 12 sura namaskars. my one fitness routine. She

had sent it to me uh like 30 second squad jump as a kid. 30 seconds squat jump, 30 second burpees, 30 seconds

mountain climber. Okay, five sets I had to compulsory do it. >> Nice.

>> That was like morning. Then I start my stationary shadow batting all of those things and till 7:38 I had to do all of

those things every day, day in day out for like 5 years. And very diligently I did it.

>> I like never ever said like as I said someone makes me do it, I'll do And I was really really scared I should

not upset her. >> And in those four five years like she taught me all the right things in terms

of like say leading a team as well. She would make me sit down with a notebook watches test match wake up in the

morning and just put down field sets watch me make me watch take me to ground and watch make me watch a live match and

be like yeah know all those all those things and I had to tell her. So like kind of the

cricketing knowledge what I got is what a lot from her and yeah she made me watch the video of secret

made me do all of those things right like I am ICC number one batter that world cup winner all of that stuff put

under the pillow sleep have a blank check >> yeah I don't know if you've seen secret

>> no tell me tell me all of this >> okay >> so what was what did you write and put

it under the pillow Hello. What did you do >> as a kid? You know, like she used to

make me ride ICC player number one player like player of the year and all of stuff,

>> batter of the number one ranked batter, which is pretty the best thing to achieve

>> then world cup winner >> and yeah like there are three four I exactly I don't like these were the main

things I to like write it on the whole page >> put it under the pill

>> whole page like multiple times. Yeah, multiple times like and then I have to like sleep with it all those morning.

>> And then you would put it under your pillow every day you would write it or just one time you write

>> every night. Every night this is all every night. Four, five years I was a machine at that I and I still feel like

if you work yourself right at 14 to 18 you're good [laughter] like in life you would not maybe but you'll be doing

something good in life. So from 14 to 18 like four or 14 to 19 four or five years you wrote a letter every day

>> not a letter it's like a kind of a notebook which I had to write >> affirmations

>> huh affirmations and then just like I'm going to >> it's like it's already happened I am huh

sorry I am this I am that not that it will happen it has happened so I had to believe that I still I was playing state

level and I'm like oh I'm world's best pattern so [gasps] I had to believe that okay I I will I am going to be or I am

already >> and then put it under the pillow and I used to find it so stupid and I still

like I don't know I still don't know why I did it but >> kind of a lot of things in that came

true also so which is then I was like I don't have complaints about it but at that time it was it felt like

[clears throat] but then yeah she taught me a lot of right values also like

>> and what else would you like manifestation letter. What is the other thing you were saying?

>> Then I had to write goals. That's why I still write goals. I have >> like 7-day goal, a week, month goal.

Like say if I'm developing a short by end of seven day, I want to learn this short

>> or I have learned this. >> I have learned the short. >> Okay. You always talk that it has

happened. It has happened. So you start believing and you start >> goal setting was a huge thing for her.

Also that >> goal setting also you write in a way that which is it has happened to you.

>> No goal setting was like more in a way where I want to get here. >> Okay.

>> Yeah. Like 7 days I want to get here. 2 weeks I want to get here. That was a lot at that time. Now I do maybe a monthly

goal >> or a yearly goal. I still do that because I just feel like goals are

something which are the reasons you wake up and you have that desire to do. and something like I don't remember what was

it. I had to like write a blank check and put it on our photo wall or something like that and see it every

day. I I don't know what what for what it was. I was a kid too. >> I was just doing what I was told to do

like I don't know I I think you should see that secret or I'm sure you would have seen I'm [laughter] sure you have

seen it >> because it's a pretty famous thing. >> But why would you write a blank check?

Like why would you put a blank check? Mommy, papa, huh? >> I wanted to buy a house for them because

we were rented house. That was the only aim of my life. >> Okay.

>> Did you ever write that on your paper that I want to >> Yeah. I want to buy a house for my mom

then >> because I saw my mom like really really work hard to make us where we are or get

us to where we are. So that I was always like [laughter] I was like I'm telling you

that kid was very like confident like just imagine 13year-old telling her mom

[laughter] just >> it happened. Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Actually I bought it at 17 only. >> Sweet 18 actually. So it was pretty

cool. Yeah. >> So good. So >> yeah. So it was like a year later but

yeah >> nice. so proud. >> So you would write that I I believe in

by the way manifestation, visualization, all of these. I don't find them stupid at all. [laughter]

>> I don't >> at that point I found it very stupid because I was too chu

>> but now I when I look back I just feel like yeah it was it was like very necessary like I feel like prepared for

a lot of things. But it's true and by the way every person every athlete specifically who

I've met or have read about they used to follow these certain things >> okay

>> like Michael Jordan Michael Phelps your Jookovic >> everybody

you name it and they have it like in women's if you look at right now Alien Goo she's killing it I don't know if you

know her >> she's a women's ski player >> okay skier

>> she's world famous right master believer or master manifestation like you just name people and they all

have some kind of ritual >> so it's not stupid at all I also still do it uh but not like the

secret but I do it in my own ways of my >> what is your way >> like goal setting is a huge thing for me

>> one month and one year and do you have a long-term goal as I think I I gave away that.

>> And do you have a goal attached to a timeline or just a goal? >> Just a goal. And my goals are not to do

with um so I've realized this is a big change. I think that's a lot of big change which I had is I don't attach my

goals to scoring a certain runs runs or winning world cup or winning a specific tournament.

I think my goals are attached now to what I want to do in terms of how I how my day should look like or how my body

should feel like or how my batting where I want my batting to be at. Give me an example

>> like say like when two years back when I sat down and I was like okay I want to change these things in the next 10

months I should stop eating >> sugar I have after that I should not feel like I've missed any sessions going

into that tournament I have to feel like I have given everything I could even after this it doesn't work out it's fine

I'll go back still work hard but I've given everything I could to get here at as well. So that's the feeling I wanted

to get >> and yeah like so many things like like you

just want to like say I I want to master a specific specific shot then I just feel like I'll give you give myself like

that month or two and then I'll try to work work hard on that specific shot say I want to hit sixes at will which is not

particularly my strength and then that's how then I will want to be at a months later that I want to do that and I I

know that if I do that for a month, I'll end up doing that on 31st day. So >> interesting. And what what happens when

you can't when you don't achieve your goal? >> It's okay. Put my head down, work hard

again. That's cricket, you know. That's cricket which is taught me. Get out on zero, get out on 100. Just put your head

down, get back to work. You get a 100 also, you have to go back, do your ice bar, do your recovery sessions. Next day

morning, you have to go still gym. You get out on zero. same routine. [laughter] So, [gasps] you know, it's

just I feel goals are good, but it's not like the end of the world. >> Like I really do everything possible to

get there. But if not, it's fine. I mean, I I'll just be like, okay, where have I gone wrong? That's a question

which you need to ask yourself. Like I ask myself, then you know your answers. Mostly honest people, honest to

yourself, people know your answer. I think everyone knows their answers. Some people accept it, some people don't. I

think I have a very high acceptance of my own mistakes which is something which helps me a lot.

>> Give me an example of the day where you made a mistake and tell me the mistake and then what did you do

>> to fix or something. >> Okay. Not every time, but say sometimes you get out on 10 runs when you're

batting extremely well and then you sit down and like and then you're like that mobility

session you were lazy you didn't do that that is why this like you know you just [laughter] you know you just know

[gasps] you just know and then it's like sometimes you people would like

but there are some people who be like [laughter] So, so I think I'm one of I'm the second part of it. Like I would know

that. [laughter] >> Nice. And what what was your biggest

mistake? Let's say you said you were at the best time of your life. You were informed and still didn't work out. You

stopped thinking about it. >> No, I did think in Dubai World Cup. But I remember the time I start taking

actions. I forget what's happening. >> Okay. >> So, I've left the Dubai World Cup. The

next morning I called my uh manager and like I need this this this things like you know we can't do these things now

for the next whatever years I play cricket >> I can't be shooting before like I would

give you like seven days slaps and then we'll arrange our shoots >> I can't be like a mad dog like I'm a

cricketer at the end like I wouldn't like >> like my training is more important than

anything else >> like they always prioritized it but sometimes you know you you have

But you know I should not manage my shoot but now I got a lot more organized with

that. Then I called him saying that I want this sort of people to help around me

>> so that I sort myself up in in a in a way like training way, nutrition way, all of those things. I made that call

for 10 minutes and I said next 7 days please get me these things. And that was like the night we knocked out got

knocked out. Next morning 7 7 7 7 a.m. I made the call. I changed yoga and meditation was something which I was

like literally running away from [laughter] I was like

then then I went I I did yoga. [snorts] [laughter] I did meditation. It changed me a lot.

>> You do meditation? >> Yeah, I do meditation. I do >> worked out.

>> Yeah, it did work out. It calmed me down. Got me extremely calm in a very

different way like not even like a surface level like it actually calmed me down quite a lot. So that that big

change I had to do and then once I've made those changes now for me then what's happened is not important.

for people who have like I feel like who have the fight to make that change then they won't dwell on the past mistakes

like if you keep keep crying and sitting on those mistakes it's I feel is what are you getting out of it you're not

getting you're not improving yourself you're not getting better so so yeah that's one thing which like for me I

never dwell on something for a very long time >> long period of time and what happens

like you're saying that you were in the form of your life and you were playing cricket really well and yet then you

couldn't perform and you got knocked out like what happens >> cricketing god [laughter]

>> no but like when you're in form and you still can't make runs like what is there what changes in your body and changes in

your approach because you hear this a lot right like this person was in zone but he can't perform or she can't

perform and we are watching from the TV and we are like yeah we were banking on her

>> and she's not performing. What goes on in your head? Is it the pressure that because I've been playing so well, I

need to play and then that messes up. What is it? >> Yeah, that's one part of it because you

kind of build up that tournament in your head in a very different way and then you're just like, okay, I have to do I

have to do I can't get anything wrong by till here. I can't get anything wrong. So what hap started happening was I I

think I started getting really hard on myself with these sort of things where I need to do this, I need to do this, I

need to do this, I can't go wrong in these things and again as I said to to you about my batting like I'm so such a

mad perfectionist around it that then I start messing up a lot more in my head even more if it's a bigger

tournament coming and then it kind of deteriorates It's a little more. [gasps] So, so yeah, I

think more than the pressure pressure to see as cricketers if you're batting well match big match in all it's a

it's a first four five balls thing. >> Okay. Like after first four five balls you wouldn't feel it a lot like you know

like when you like like first four five balls is the time where you kind of be before because bigger the match it's not

the match day which is which feels pressure the >> the approach towards the match the night

before that the morning before that is when you start if you you're stressing about it

>> but once the match starts and the first three four balls happen >> you're not think oh this is the biggest

match of my life you don't think all those things you know it's only the first four five balls where you have

that jitters and nerves and if I would get out in the first four five balls I would have been like yes I have to work

on my jitters but I would never get out on the first four five balls it was after that

>> m >> that means the solution and all is not jitters or big pressure it's something

different >> interesting >> like you know if you go and first ball

you get out >> in a big match >> I would say okay maybe that is pressure

Yeah, that's anxiety and anxiety, nervousness, nerves. You've played first five, six balls like whatever in

whichever nerves you have, you've played, [laughter] >> you've got the sixth ball of your

innings, you not like you're not thinking about match occasion as much in your head.

You're just thinking batting >> the next ball. >> Huh? Next ball. So, I don't think it was

ever to do with the pressure or anything for me. It was more to do with the buildup for the tournament in my head

than overthinking around it and then losing my feel overthinking about it and then when you're when as a batter when

you're not feeling the way you want to feel because of what my batting is. It's more like a touch batting. It's not

power batting. So if you don't feel the way you do it, it doesn't come in results. It's

very hard. Then >> walk me through the day like walk me through the night before. Uh what was

going in your head? No. No. You you said you were overthinking pressure stuff like that. Overinking overnight

then I'm like because it's such a weird thing. [laughter]

It's like again it's not a form. It's again how you are your body's feeling. Sometimes

your bottom hand is tired some and for feel and touch players it's very important for me at least it is very

important. So, so yeah those seven days and then I start thinking a lot about it then I go back to the room and I'll

think a lot about it try and change something and then something else happens then next day it's even worse

batting then same then the chain happens until I approach the tournament it's gone [laughter] so I at that time now of

course I have said that it is okay it is fine >> don't overthink it's in last two years I

think I've got that right >> m So even if I'm not feeling fine, it is okay. This one, two words, three words

is has changed a lot for me. >> Is it same in the world cup as well? >> Yeah.

>> Or is little different because you're the final match, world cup night. There must be some extra thought or extra

pressure in your head or no like no this just another day. >> 10 15 minutes [clears throat]

world cup whatever. >> Okay, let's let's do like take like me on the day of final match of the world

cup let's say. Um, you have to walk me through that day like as if I'm there and like tell me what happened, when did

you wake up, what did you do, what was the first thought, who did you meet, the team ritual, breakfast, like walk me

through the entire day with details. >> When you wake up and you realize it's a big match day a little bit maybe if your

heart is racing at 65, it will race at 75 from that day. >> Date me like don't don't tell me what

like tell me >> mornings I wake up for breakfast as usual.

>> Okay. You woke up now we have an afternoon and evening matches >> go to world cup final

I think we went to I went to breakfast everyone's families were there there partil right so

>> at breakfast it felt like it's our floor everyone's mom dad's like literally it felt like one big Indian cricket family

when I was here it was pretty cool >> uh like till I went till the breakfast I just felt like oh and then I saw

everyone I was just so very happy about What was you said? >> Like I just woke up and I was like, "Oh,

I just woke up finally." You know, I just felt it and then I was like and then I saw

>> What time did you get up? >> Nicely woke up. I'm chill like that. 9 8:39

I woke up freshen up. I think I started breakfast chilled with everyone 11 11:30 went back [snorts] did

my mobility routine uh half an hour little bit activation stuff took a shower ground it's a walking distance

that we stayed at courtyard marit and it's like literally the div is just walking distance

>> which I don't I love the stadium but I like 10 minutes drive to the stadium why >> for my music just it gets you in a in a

zone like no you just feel like you should listen to two three songs. So for Dy Partil matches I used to start

listening to songs on AirPods in room only. So like what song do I get? depends tour to tour

love songs sad songs I'm more of that but akal to like tufan and all of that like you know full so

depends on what zone or mood I am in >> so before going to the world cup we are listening a sad song

>> I am I could I am pretty capable of doing that because I feel it calms me no like like slow songs not like sad also I

would say Slow song. >> Have your favorite slow song. Slow song. Yeah.

>> I big fan. >> Which one? seasonal.

>> I think my alltime favorite of him would be [laughter]

[laughter] world cup finals. I heard a lot of like this um South

Indian entry songs, BGM songs like background music song was my go-to song for a very long time

like I would feel like okay it doesn't suit my personal my problem and my person I think in my mind a certain way

but in on like my personality is not such >> okay what do you think of yourself in

>> I'm like a collar up and red one dude >> not dude like I'm just like one huh I'll fight everyone.

>> Okay. >> And I'm like there I'll be playing a shot and smiling [laughter]

like I'm like you're not this I don't know sometimes what it is like >> so you're south Indian hero in your

head. >> Yeah. Like you know like full like entry song with a gole and all but somehow it

doesn't happen [laughter] [gasps] like even I get a 100 and I'll be like okay I'm just like

>> jump [clears throat] and have a like hand like moment and I will like show to all of those things. Then what I do is I

just remove helmet and just do this >> reality. >> So so yeah. So that I think I heard two

three songs before going to the final >> then got into the bus >> which was 2 minutes bus drive

>> and then rain happened. We had a rain delay for an hour which was stupid. >> I'm like

as I said start is always very important. and then whatever happens happens.

That's the toughest part of the match day any match day is the first approach towards the first three footballs

because mentally it's like a like you're getting towards that right and you're doing everything towards that

>> as a batter. [laughter and gasps] So you just have to make sure that you

are really calm about it. So rain happened and I'm like start then of course magically disappeared. We

had a toss. We lost a toss. We we're batting first. I was like okay batting first [laughter] team meeting before the

match. >> The new thing I started a little soaking in the environment. Sometimes I go 5

minutes uh before and I soak in the environment like so that I'm used to it. >> When I play I should not feel stressed.

>> Okay. So first I enter I like kind of see and like like when it's loud and all I just try and soak it in and be

comfortable around it because once you're comfortable you just feel like okay it's your space

>> because once your heartbeat get >> it just feels normal I try and do it before only. So I was in

my zone more. >> Has it happened with you before where you've not been able to soak in the

environment and then >> 2017 World Cup final I think I got out third ball zero. I was 8 19 year old. I

never knew what to do what happened [laughter] till the World Cup started. I was already out on zero. I'm coming back

and I'm like I didn't know what happened like >> because you couldn't take in the

environment. >> Yeah. taken the environment did not do all of those things like you know I

didn't make myself feel comfortable I just went to bat saw that it was first time women's cricket had 20 odd thousand

people in lords at lords and that's my first match at lords [laughter] everything happening at once I went and

the third ball is like t zero out [laughter] till I realized what's happening I was

already out like >> so you were not focused on the batting you were focused on like

>> I wouldn't say I was focused that it's just that Even if you're not focusing it, I feel it's more than avoiding it,

you should just embrace it. >> At that time, I was avoiding it. >> Now I'm like, wow. You know, like, you

know, that's how it's changed. Now I'm like, I embrace it. I'm like, it's fine. You know, all of those things. So that

happened. I went to bat doing all of the things also. First four, five balls, I don't know what happened. Ball came my

or didn't hit my I don't know. I didn't realize after fifth or sixth ball I was like ah ch and then then yeah I mean it

was pretty cool after that what happened after 7 8 hours [laughter] >> we won the world cup

>> so what was going on in your head when you were going for the batting >> just I only tell myself watch the ball

and play accordingly there's not too much I tell myself >> nothing but how [clears throat] do you

get back like how do you get your heartbeat normal just by soaking in the environment you get.

>> I try and do like three four deep breaths if at all. I feel sometimes a lot

>> but very rarely I I'm pretty like like again a very chill person. >> What do you do like deep breath as in

like you count [sighs] >> like just like 3 seconds in 3 seconds out. Sometimes when I feel it

>> sometimes if it's a D20 match and I played two three dot balls and then you have that pressure of getting that

scoreboard going. So that time just to clear your mind at that time you want to play five shots sometimes I just and

then I'm like okay watch the ball because still even that time the basics don't change no like the basics of

batting don't change so I have to remind myself baba bigger the occasion you're still like the basics of batting

watching the ball >> sometimes it's like too much pressure too much pressure man in the head not

the match also but sometimes you feel like >> you played at lords now you played that

test match And we hadn't played red wall first time at Lord. So and from T20 World Cup we

just straight away went to. So I had to keep telling myself Baba must mask [laughter]

you know you don't do musty like you know after T20 you're playing test match >> and as opener you're like there you have

to hit here you have to like play out. So sometimes I'm like I'm the best play according to so it's like some

affirmation words for >> you tell yourself you talk to yourself. >> Yeah. If that's what I said if sometimes

I feel like okay I have to get in a zone that days some days you are in that zone. So you it again depends on what

day you're in >> and know when you're walking let's say you changed put the kit you're walking

on the ground walking on the pitch till that time do you tell yourself anything do you talk to yourself?

N >> I have that routine. Touch the ground. Go sideways twice. Side side sideways

just twice. Three back flips. Look at the sun just near the 23 yards. Like just do that. And yeah, just start.

And then first three balls in your head you're thinking you're thinking first. [laughter]

first three balls you like like what is first three because you said first three four balls are the most

problematic. So >> I said I said like when it's a bigger match day

>> for everyone you said. >> Yeah. For me it's not actually I'm like not like a very first three football

persons. [snorts] [laughter]

I don't know if I have some random stats I've got out on 70s 80s and 90s I don't know some number of times. [laughter]

>> X number of times. >> Yeah I think I would have had like 20 odd extra centuries if I would have not

like really done all those things. So but first two three balls just same thing watch the ball play accordingly

okay and what happens at 80 [laughter] >> I am also still wondering what happens

there was a year where I was not getting out on anymore and I had cracked it like I just feel it's cricket yeah I mean you

can't overthink from some things you >> [laughter] >> At that time it is sometimes like you're

batting extremely well. It's not [laughter]

like that 50%. So in that you get out. M thank you very much. But I have realized

I think cricket has its own way to answer your questions like you can do a lot of

things right you can do lot of things here and there >> but sometimes when it has to come it

will come when it doesn't have to come it wouldn't come [laughter] and now I've accepted it that

>> take it just put your head down do your work >> but how do you come in the zone then if

let's say you are not in the zone >> zone form overrated word it's not like you're not inform your sometimes you're

not batting the way you want to bat. Sometimes you're not you're batting well but some days your mind is running like

a train. >> It's just like so many thoughts are coming.

That is the day where maybe I feel I'm not in zone because the at my best I don't think I just watch the ball and

react. That's the best I bet. >> Okay. But there are days where you like you start thinking the shot beforehand.

>> That is when I feel I'm not in zone and that's when I have to just remind myself like what's the ball like you know

that's how I want to do that day. >> Nice. Interesting. And do you have a superstition?

>> I used to have many. [laughter] >> Tell me. So generally I sit on the left side of

the bus fourth seat >> but it's I don't it's superstition it's just got used to as a kid you enter

and then it's just a thing >> then I should always enter from the left side of the so I open so the person is

always on the right and I have to be on the left I broke that on WL final actually. [laughter] Wow, what a day.

>> [gasps] >> And yeah, I'm like [laughter]

200 is a huge score to chase like right it's just enter and I was like anyways

[laughter] right and actually we chased it down so now it's nothing there like now I'll

enter wherever it is left superstition then then

I still have a little bit but I've changed a lot. I don't want the leg guard to be given at the first go.

I don't think anyone has ever had that. So you go first thing and you ask for a leg guard your leg.

>> So I don't like the umpire telling in the one go that's on your leg. I like so that's why I cast the bat a little

further away and then she will or he will tell me to get the bat in >> to mark the leg guard. So I have to have

it like twice thrice like I can't have it on the one go. [laughter]

>> Nice. >> Very strange. It is >> good.

>> And I don't know if it's superstition or if I get out I tap the boundary three times.

>> Yes. Completely. I don't know how it started >> after getting out.

>> Yeah. [laughter] superstition [laughter] I don't know that's a that's a thing I

don't know why it has happened and I think it's a more your father and mother do they have a

superstition >> mommy used to not watch for the longest time she said

problem [laughter] and then you know mommies are you

So she used to she used to not watch. She now tries to watch but bigger matches she can't watch. She gets very

[clears throat] nervous like World Cup final. My mom she's like she told that firstly tickets problem but she's like I

want one ticket for myself. I'm not coming to watch the match but I'll come to see you guys lift the trophy. So I

want the ticket to enter. So she watched. She didn't come for the match. She she was she was at our hotel room

from up like you could see the ground >> she was up there 15 minutes 10 minutes I think when we were supposed to win she

came down so that's like that's my mom my father my brother is very like serious you'll

watch it very seriously papa is chill I don't think they have I'll ask them next time

>> do they [laughter] have any superstition or anything >> yeah I'll have to ask them

>> but you call them after >> match before match I call When I sit in the bus, first thing I

call is mom, dad. >> Then they have a particular way of saying all the best like with a tone. My

mom has a tone to say all the best and my father has a tone as well. >> So they that's their superstition I

think like when they wish me they will say nothing just all the best. That's it. Like sometimes like in UK

you're playing and enjoy like it's a two-minute call but >> I don't remember a match I've played

without calling them. Yeah, it's always as a kid I've always called him even now.

>> But it's just a ritual since years you have made it. >> Yeah. I I don't know when it started or

what happened but it's for the longest time for the last 15 20 years I remember going for a math and calling them.

>> Nice. That's a good thing. >> Yeah. That's a nice thing. Getting a blessing. Getting blessings from my

parents before match is pretty cool. >> Hey, good. Who between both of them who sacrificed most for you?

>> I think both in their own ways have sacrificed for me. But mom in particular sacrifice but she like because of those

whole problems of family. We kind of had to change our house and then of course father was part of the joint business we

had. So when we had nothing like he didn't know what to do a lot and then my mom used to start doing ex exhibition

she was very creative and that's how she actually raised us and maybe she used to always she used to work there and again

cook as well take care of the house so yeah in that ways I think she's kind of sad but never

like They tried their best to get whatever best we could. And when did you realize

that she's sacrificing or she's like working really hard to make sure that you

>> always because I used to help her with all those things >> from day one you like from very early on

you realize only when you start realizing I understood you know

but I knew my mom is like really like working so much. I used to help her do table mats go for her exhibitions. I

used to stand in the exhibitions like it's like the exhibition halls of the like used to go to other cities used to

take the stuff and I was I I've done abbecas >> you see mass that so I've done all the

eight levels so my math is pretty good >> nice >> so I I so I used to have like the clips

as well hair clips so my calculation I tell auntie auntie 400 what [laughter] so I've done all of those I've seen her

like work really hard so it was like for For me it was always like you know I want to give a very nice life to them.

>> And they used to always encourage you to play cricket right? They were very supportive but relatives were not in the

beginning. Till that point [clears throat] anyone had not even heard like women playing

cricket and start mate was like when I played school level and all we traveled from a general boogie and all of that

and >> for a maradi family it's a little like like

all those like I would also I still feel it's like genuine concern concerns also like

but like genuine concerns also key how will she manage she's just nine or 11 like mom wanted me to play sports but

she was very keen on tennis >> because at that time against sa miza was a huge impact

>> and single individual sports she wanted me to do individual sports plus women's tennis was lot famous than women's

cricket at that time way bigger you knew Sarina Williams you knew Maria Sharapoa they were like big names she wanted me

to do that was and I >> there was someone to look up to. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because there was at that time I

didn't know a lot of women cricketers. You don't know what's happening. So uh so yeah I think my mom wanted me to play

sports but tennis more but very early she understood batting [laughter] so I used to be like

so that's how then they were like pretty cool with it and then it after two three years so it became like they are

dreaming that >> nice I should like >> what would they say like when I was

reading again somewhere relatives This is all every relative talks like mommy is also like me

[laughter] [laughter] know they were very like but the best

thing never came to us what happens problem but papa how would he respond

>> same I think papa though he doesn't care I think my family in general they not very like

that's why they've let me like just be >> nice >> like I I could take my own decisions at

any point in my life and they they're all worried is my happiness and my wellbeing

>> and if that is happening yeah if that is happening they don't care if they're upsetting the world they're upsetting

the relents >> that is So good. So that's a very that's luck. [laughter]

>> That's luck. >> That's absolute luck. >> Like they only care is about me and B. I

have to be happy. >> Yeah. >> Which is so rare cuz there are every

parent wants their kids wellbeing and happiness. But there are some parents who care about way more than anything

else. And they're just so sad. >> It's a very normal thing. I feel it's a very normal. They would like again I

don't know why it happens but they would do a certain way be a certain way because what people will think and all

but yeah I have never even been raised in that environment like [laughter] you know

for me it was always like no like you know you you want to do what you you got to do what you got to do kind of a thing

like >> [laughter] >> I don't care. I did still.

>> But you said like I don't care still like >> No, but the kid version of you didn't

care at all. But today [laughter] Right. But uh yeah, I I don't think I

still care about people think what will happen. >> Never.

>> I think it's just a like with now social media just a 20day thing. 20

>> 15 days like if you win also you lose also. It's just a 20 15 20 day thing, right?

>> You have a 30inut rule which is >> Yeah, it's a 30-minut rule. I don't dwell on anything more than 30 minutes.

It's not a rule but >> but you can make it one. [laughter] >> Yeah. So it's a good rule.

>> It's a good rule to give in a playbook of Smithy Mandana mindset playbook. [laughter]

>> I don't know mindset there. It can be a great rule. Let the world actually know this.

>> Yeah. It's a like I go back and it's like a in my mind stop 30 minutes but like I wouldn't dwell on anything in

life not only cricket anything in life 30 40 minutes >> I think I've got up done

yeah anything happens I've got >> Do you have emotions do you let yourself >> I think I don't have a lot of emotions

>> do you allow yourself to feel >> even when You're alone, let's say, not in front of public. Let's say this is a

very public version of you. >> No, no, of course I do feel and I have those emotions.

>> You're not numb or do you feel that you've gotten numb? >> So, I could go quiet, but like crying,

sadness is something which I don't relate myself a lot to. Yeah, I don't know why, but it's very weird. But

there'll be people around me crying about something and I would just have extremely practical approach to that.

>> Okay. >> Because I feel I think it's a blessing some people who can cry because I don't

cry as like quickly >> and I just feel like you should let the person be them. I'm not a huge believer

who or and there's no written success path or any path

>> and what is success I mean people success actually success is being happy no like it's not about like what people

have made success to be success I feel success is actually just >> waking up having a good 8 hours sleep

and being happy within your own self and I feel if someone wants to let out their emotions do that and if I

[clears throat] am I what I am I can be that but I do feel on days where those self-doubts and all those things come

but again like 30 minutes and I'll start doing something else. >> Do you cry? [sighs and gasps]

>> Maybe bathroom sometimes but [laughter] bathrooms and shower and sometimes yeah maybe front of maybe one or two people

of like I feel like >> when was the last time you cried? Mm- Good question.

I don't remember. You know, I cry for movies. >> I don't cry for my real life.

>> Okay. >> If I watch a movie, I cry. So I think I was watching Mustafir Cafe

and it just caught me emotional, happy, emotional and I cried. >> Why? I also got very emotional at movie.

I don't know like [laughter] >> very amishaf very nice not even I got very happy

emotionally I was like yeah man I also want to do something like just [laughter]

leave everything just go open your own cafe >> I took right for

>> Prii [laughter] no I was

>> like you know that I mean the character Priy I felt bad for her I was like just emotions

[laughter] like happy emotions so cool like you know just away from the world away from

everything just go on do your own bit like I think after cricket that's me like you know

>> not seeing not like just >> you want to be alone away >> alone means just in your cafe halfway

there >> yeah yeah just being whatever wherever I would be just like because again I'm not

a very social person >> so that's how >> but if you will see something in the

movie you will cry about that in bathroom >> no no I'll cry there only so I remember

crying crying for cafe in UK when I was watching it. >> Yeah, that's the last time I cried.

No, >> you said like if you feel like you know some matches

hurt you, >> some matches hurt you know like >> what was the last match that hurt you?

>> See Dubai really hurted me like World Cup hurt necessarily. I I did cry a little bit after that.

this World Cup we could not make it to the semis. Did that that hurt me? Not necessarily I cried but I did it hurt me

but there are a few matches where you feel like [snorts] I should have like

>> and what hurts you your own performance or team's performance who do you blame >> first you should always start with

yourself like that's like that's how you have to be

>> first you should start about your own self what you could have done better if you are the one who's like

means you only don't have expectations of that you could win that match. Fair. So I think I start with my own

self first then maybe think a little bit about the team how like

this person would have played like what we could have done better as a team like

but I don't think I'm not necessarily like I would go to a press conference and name anyone nameropping

like you're a team, you should back each other and like >> you win as a team. You don't

>> you can criticize the performance. You can criticize that okay this went wrong. This should have gotten better. We could

not prepare whatever job be but name dropping is something which I'm not big fan of.

>> Fair which is the right approach. You win as a team, you lose as a team. >> You lose as a team and then first

introspect within yourself. Do you feel responsible >> for a lot of things?

>> Yeah, of course. >> Because you you use certain vocabulary which is very interesting. Like almost

every time you say like when when you were speaking about your mentor, you said the first thought was I should not

upset her, >> right? When you were talking about your mom and dad,

then you with the team as well. Do you feel like do you have this constant feeling of

>> this is my one big problem that you know I start I like blame myself first a lot about everything or I feel responsible

for that person as well a lot >> which is a good thing also a bad thing also

>> why is it a good thing and why is that a bad thing >> good thing that I'm not putting things

on like anyone I'm being a good person like technically >> bad things is sometimes like which now I

have changed a lot that you don't let that person take decisions like because they have to also learn from their own

>> like mistakes be your parents your friends your teammates whoever so that's something which I think I've learned now

with the leadership roles with WPL and everything that you know you you just let them be

guide them here and there but what they do is not your responsibility like I I don't know how do I explain it because

what I am what I am because of my mistakes And if I kind of protect them again and

again about their mistakes, they're never going to grow. >> Then they'll start being dependent. And

you need leaders in your team. >> You don't want someone who's following someone. You just want leaders because

15 leaders is great. Leaders in a sense in your in their own life. >> So So yeah, again, I've changed that

quite a lot now. >> Okay. What's uh how do you think about

leadership? >> See I I I was always a captain as a kid and I started leading Maharashtra team

when I was 16. >> Uh like the senior senior side I was leading when I was 16.

>> Okay. And like I never knew but I I think I started enjoying it as well because

like I feel I feel I think like that that sometimes uh you know the

preparation part in terms of leader leadership the preparation towards the game I think that whole process is

something which >> I really really enjoy a lot and uh and yeah I mean of course I've got privilege

to WPs and I've been vice captain for a very long time. So, so yeah, you've been in and around and I think I really enjoy

it. >> Doesn't that scare you? >> Captainship.

>> Yeah, the pressure of being a captain. >> I mean, you play for India anyways. You >> there's an extra pressure of being a

captain. No, I'm sure there is. >> See, yeah, there is answerability more for sure. what decisions you take win

and loss but I feel you have I think you you should be able to take it in a way where if you are accepting it you have

to take it and I think I really enjoy that part as I said it's not just that pressure part and all but I just feel

like I really enjoy um getting to the game doing the analysis matchups and you know who to

bowl what's happening what's the best combinations how the wicket is looking how's the ground and all of those things

And my favorite part of WPL is actually planning for auction. It's it's pretty fun. It's like like what team

combinations you you're looking at. And with all of that, when you know you've done the hard work, even as a captain is

a hard work. You've done that hard work, results don't come. Then you have to take the criticism for sure. But again,

it's like batting. >> You do the hard work, but you can get out on zero.

And you do the batting, you do the hard work, you can get a 100. It's same with captainship. And I think I I treat it as

a third skill for me because I don't bowl. It's like batting fielding and third skill is captainship. So I treat

is at that like you're going to get good things and bad things with it. >> But it may becomes natural to you

because you're in general as a person you are somebody who's like always taking accountability always making

[laughter] sure that everyone is before me. >> That's true actually. And uh that's

always I've grown up like that. As I said, I think the answer question you asked me maybe the answer was because I

was leading teams always as a 16 year old. I was always leading teams and as a captain you're probably the last person

on the list though you are the first on the list but you what you want is the last.

>> You are there for what people want. >> True. So I think that is where that quality has also come to me because like

at a at a age of 16 17 to throw in a senior leadership like kind of a thing >> was something very like

>> and I think I was 21 22 when I was vice captain for the Indian team also for D20 side.

>> So I was like at that point you can't be thinking about yourself because even if you've had a bad match I can't cry. I

should be making I should make sure that I'm like helping everyone out. So that's how it's come I think as a kid.

>> Ah as a as a kid since since you were a kid you've been the elder [laughter] >> elder sister you've been in the junior

team actually become captain in senior team. >> Yes.

>> Yeah bunch of things. So you've been prepar getting prepared for all of this since very long.

>> I think God prepares you and gives you at the right time. I again I believe in that a lot. Do you have this habit of

making people dependent on you? Huh? Because no, you'll always be the I'm the big sister. I'm the person in the house.

I'm this like don't worry. All of that. Do you have that? >> Yeah, I do have that.

Yeah, I do have that a lot. Um, yeah. I mean, I used to have that a lot, but now I I think in the last one two

years I've changed a lot. Now I don't feel that anymore. like someone comes with something also I'll give them a

very practical and cricket and you figure out your way okay I'll stand there make them make

sure that they are fine about it and all of that I'll still do that in my own ways but not very like that that person

should not think I helped them it should be more in a way where they fought their own battle I was there

>> so that's a very different there are two very different things. >> Yeah.

>> So when you're just there and they are fighting their own battle and you're just there, it just feels that they know

that next time it comes I can fight it because then they don't know what to do now.

True. So now I think I've changed that. >> You've changed that. And how did you realize that?

I think life only. [laughter] >> Okay. [gasps] >> But you were like that since you were a

kid. >> Ah, it was very um like even if I have a bigger brother, I was always like elder

sister to him. >> So it was always like even my friends who are my same age always be like a

mother to them like me. I don't know why it was there but it was always there. But now I don't think now I'm chill

about it. Do you put other people before you? >> I think so. That's Yeah, I do that a

lot. >> They should. >> Yeah, because what happens with

unemotional people? No, like me. >> I'm like I'll take care of their emotions.

>> It's like I will be fine. So that is something which happens a lot to me that I'll always take care of like everyone's

emotions around me and everyone knows that I'll be fine you know that way. >> So it happens a lot with me.

>> And if do you also feel like let's say if mom's getting let's say sad about something oh I should make her happy and

I'll make I'll make sure that she'll get happy. Do you get that? >> And then dad also and then you wouldn't

or brother also. Cuz like you feel like you're responsible to make sure everyone's happy around you.

>> Yeah. Because if someone is sad around me, I feel like I need to do something. You know,

>> this is I'm same >> like I put other people. [laughter] >> Putting everyone before you is not a

very good thing. I do that a lot and that's why I put myself last. There are probably two or three

decisions only in my entire life where I've been selfish >> and I'm guilty about all of them. Like I

can I know exactly the two specific decisions I've taken where I've I was like I'm selfish and I'm just going to

take care of my happiness. And I'm still guilty. think about it being years thinking

>> but I am that person like I would want everyone to be happy around me >> even if I'm shooting my team is there

like if someone is sad or angry I'll make sure like they're okay fine about it

>> yeah just a very inbuilt thing and I don't know why it is but I mean meditation internalize. As I

meditate, I'm blank. >> Okay. >> Very

>> you're not thinking about patterns and reflections and things like that. >> The person who was taking meditation

also got a little like you're surprised that okay I've not done meditation. It's a good thing she said

that you don't >> I would think like I'm drowning somewhere and all that but not life

problems or life stuff. I don't remember I meditated and I've thought of cricket or anything in the life at all

>> because very yeah I don't know it's a god >> it's a it's a very good thing so I was

exactly like you meditation and all that is not for me but I started breath work that was like

one step closer to >> you know actually breath work I find a little boring than meditation meditation

is >> better for How

breath work is also nice but it's a little taxing. >> Meditation is relaxing.

>> I enjoy my breath work a lot. I've very recently started like probably couple of months

>> and very good like I' I've seen my state being calmer and the same I feel like I'll think about 20 things. this is

this is not like overthink but like always on the go like this needs to be done this needs to be done but when I'm

doing a breath work my breath work coach also asked me like why what were you thinking of I was nothing I was almost

sleeping [laughter] one thing it's not >> it's a one thing then that we are in

present mode >> very present like I I think about something so these thoughts also let's

say something where I've Being selfish example, it'll come for me. It'll come to me for like 20, 30, 40 minutes.

>> You also have 30 minutes somewhat. [laughter] >> You also have a 30 minutes then

>> and then it'll be gone. Then I'll be on to the next thing. [laughter]

>> Yeah. I I don't know what will happen thinking about it. It's not that things are going to change. Live with it. So

>> but I don't coming back to the point of where it's like not doing things for yourself is often

is is is a question that because I ask lot of questions of people I I see this >> like cricket for myself which is pretty

cool like you know you do podcast for yourself. >> Agreed. I mean [clears throat] large

body of a life you're doing it for yourself. Like I bat I and I don't think anything in life can make me happier

than batting >> and I bat every day. >> So that's what I'm doing in my life.

There are so many people even around you that >> that basic work they don't do what they

love. >> True. And I think we could also make people

happy or do what we could is because our basic work is the work which we love the most.

>> That's a good perspective. >> Yeah. And I don't think I need any selfcare more than that.

>> I agree. Now >> like when I bat I you just go in a very happy zone and I

just feel like nothing can match this. No one can match this. Leave nothing. No one can match this. And

what else you do more? No. Like >> bang on. >> Yeah. [laughter]

>> Yeah. There's no self-care which can make me happier than this. >> Yeah. That's it then. Yes. You're doing

this. >> So this is Yeah. So I'm the most selfish here. I do this for myself. [laughter]

>> Like there are people who leave what they want to do for someone like parents or people

>> for some responsibility they have. >> They would do that. And then I would be like okay that's very scary.

>> You're doing things for other people because you're not happy within them. I could do things for other people because

very happy within myself. >> I don't think God would have made or I would have been able to do only that for

people if I was not happy. So I don't think it's a very kind of a selfless or selfish. It's a you are a content like

you're content with your >> it is what it is. Yeah, it is. >> It makes it makes a lot of sense. But

now I'm thinking like would would I be the same person where I'm putting other people first if I was not

doing this. I think my answer would be yes because I was >> yeah I mean

>> before that I was exact I was still the kind of person >> maybe you would have got frustrated and

stopped it or >> I haven't I still put other people >> still having this you don't know your

life if you didn't have this >> I have this fair I would have stopped at some point

>> yeah I would have maybe not been this person if cricket or god or batting would have not given me what it has

you >> know and all the frustrations in life around everyone comes because that basic

thing they're not happy with. >> True. >> So I'm very happy

>> this I am also very happy. I would have been very frustrated as a man >> and then

>> if I was not doing this >> and that will add add up pile up to you not being helpful

>> like >> yeah yeah >> at some point right it would not come

maybe 5 years 10 years but it will [laughter] >> you know but yeah I think it's also to

do with because we are very content and happy people in our own professional space

>> true you know in fact that is that is so funny in fact whenever I talk to my cousins or or my friends that's usually

one of the first let's say my prerequisites or advices which I tell my you know my people around me it's like

if you are thinking of this partner as your partner for life just make sure do they have something that they where

they're happy like truly happy without you >> because if they've not figured out one

thing where they can be themselves and they're happy it'll be very difficult. Yeah, it is very difficult in general

like if you don't have something which >> because it makes you angry as a person frustrates you.

>> Yeah. And then it's all on people around you and everything around that. So I feel that's like for me that's a very

like that's something I tell everyone again say that >> you can only give happiness if you're

happy [laughter] >> like happy soul. I mean like you know

you can't >> but do you let do you feel happiness for more than 30 minutes [laughter]

>> I am happy I don't feel excitement more two different things yeah >> okay you don't get excited at all

>> no I do like see the first time I got the ICC award I remember calling my parents my brother in a conference call

and being like all prepped up about mommy papa can't believe and I have done all that for 15 20

minutes but my family is also like very blah >> [laughter]

[gasps] >> Mom, dad of course they are very excited people like

but yeah that's about it after 20 30 minutes I'm like okay fine up >> like yeah so

>> do you play to win or do you play to not lose >> oh [clears throat]

interesting I never thought about it >> think >> pretty much same Oh,

>> very different way of playing. >> I think >> Do you hate losing or do you love

winning? What what's a stronger emotion? >> I think I love playing.

>> Yeah, [laughter] fair. Which is why you play >> losing a parcel part and parcel of the

game is what I would >> take out cricket. >> Let's say other sports. You're very

competitive and aggressive. I know that >> winning. I think >> you hate losing or you

>> I love winning. I don't think I hate anything in life. >> Are you a bad loser?

>> Could be in other sports. Yes. Not in cricket. Cricket like of course it's a bread and butter.

>> Yeah. So >> it's not cricket. Like we're just talking about you as a person.

>> With my friends and family. Yes. Not with random people. I would >> You're a bad You're sore losers.

>> Yeah. With my brother. I could >> What do you do when you lose? >> I throw a fit. I would be like, "What is

this? cheating whatever I speak around cricket I'm not that person then [laughter] why what

changes you just like that inbuilt which is there and then and that's how I am with

batting also I am very egoistic as a batter >> explain

>> like if I get beaten in nets I like I can't take In my head I'm like can't leave getting

out even if I get beaten or something I'm just like no that's not you know next session I'll come in full like

that's what I'm saying maybe my personality is not such but my mind is that way that next my next next practice

session I'm like and not that I show it in my aggression but in my head it's small battles which

I have to have and yeah I have I hate Like if I get LBW and bold there's two dismissals

I can't sleep. Sleep means that like this both I can't get arrogance arrogance it's like a

selfresect ego but that's something which I like I always pride

like thank you then I'm like I can't I will be like I knew I know that I'm

[laughter] in my own mind that I have it. So it's very funny like sometimes I get out and

the coach would be like that day I'll still be like I'll come back I'll be still the day I get bold

and like you are chill about it. So that's that's like LBW and are something which I'm not

too fond of. >> Do you think that ego makes you better as a player? this ego,

>> it can crash you or get you better. >> For you, >> for me, I think it drives me because I'm

such a chilled out personality that if I didn't have this personality in me, it would not like give that fire in me.

>> M >> because I am like a rich types person a lot. So if in my batting also I would be

that that would have not like now I constantly keep thinking how to get better, how to get better. is because of

that ego in my mind. So, so yeah, I think it kind of motivates me to get up like

so I think it's good also for me like personality like me [clears throat] it's very good.

>> Where do you get your fire from? Like what drives you? Like is it other people bother you that

who has told you that you can't play and you're wrong >> to prove them wrong or is like your

expectation that was itself or is it others or is it someone else

like I've done so much of hard work with betting I can't get out like this you know that kind of a ego comes M

>> let me know I'm better than this sort of a thing. Yeah, that drives me. >> It's within like you see yourself in

your head as the player. So you better want to >> but if you play that way yeah you have

to see yourself as the player. [laughter] You have to think that you are the

player. >> Even if you're not, you have to think you are the player. Otherwise, how is

people going to believe that you're the player? You have to think now that I do feel like though my attitude, my walk

and all that is not there. But in my head, I'm I know like don't take like panga like you know in my head I would

be in that zone. >> That's that's true. You know my one of my mindset coaches made me do this

exercise very early on. So whenever I would do a podcast with this is like two years ago. Yeah.

uh two years ago. So whenever I would do podcast with someone that really big right and I wish then I would become

very small like do you do you get what I mean? So let's say >> if I'm doing a podcast with Bill Gates,

right? So in I wouldn't be this chill like he's here to be this chill but I would just be like succumb and become

that >> and I would not be my natural self and I would not think that I'm the player and

this is the game that I'm playing and I would just succumb to that pressure >> and questions which I know because for

someone like him I've been preparing for 20 years [laughter] >> in your head for world cup you're

preparing since the time you have picked up a bat right so that's the so that for me is that kind of day. So and I I used

to bad >> you could see that there are one podcast before you will see like

>> and then my mindset coach like he told me that what do you feel? I'm like I just feel like I'm not I'm not the

player like I'm not that guy. He's like who's that guy like do you have that comparison? So and then I started

mentioning names of other people like Oprah Winfrey is like other 20 names. >> And so then he made me write like 10

things what do you do I like from other people and and then he made me like now imagine like these 10 qualities together

you have. >> Oh >> and then you are so do you think that

this guy is the player right? Who whoever will have these 10 qualities is that player.

>> Now imagine yourself that you are that player. Forget there's whoever just see yourself and he made me w before every

podcast he was like 10 minutes before watch yourself >> be that very relaxed be that friend be

that fun guy be that sensitive guy whatever you think that whoever is that >> and I started doing that in five or 10

podcast after that >> just change like now I don't there are times where you get little jitters

>> but I don't change >> okay >> like you won't see that

[laughter] >> so to see yourself as the player is so important. Right. Yeah, it is

>> that even if you're just talking, it feels like you become a different person if you start in your head feeling like

you're best. >> Yeah. Your best version like it it

doesn't have to be that. >> Yeah. I feel is a social media problem a lot now. Social media problem like

because of social media everyone's available. It's human problem. >> [laughter]

>> comparison. Now all of a sudden there's like, oh, he's doing that fitness routine, she's

doing that, he's doing that, that diet, she's doing that. Then it's just such a battle.

What do you want and what your body is very different? Yeah. >> Like it's not necessarily what I do.

Maybe some same person in the team will not be able to do and what she does I can't do it.

>> True. >> Though we both play the same sport do the exact thing but it's a very

different thing. So I as you said I mean what you your best is should be your best only.

>> Yeah. >> And what is your routine should be your routines only.

>> Fair. >> It can't be. >> Have you compared yourself to anyone

ever in your head? So I didn't compare but I looked up to melaning quite a lot growing up. She's

she was Australian captain and when I came into the scene she was like I mean she was like consistent at some some

next level and I saw her >> flicking bowlers for sixes and at that time women's cricket not many would hit

sixes. It's changed a lot now but time it was like a new thing and I saw that and I was like wow man like I want to

bat like that someday. So not like a comparison but it was like a goal that you know you want to do something. So

you want that one quality of her. >> Huh. I mean >> like not become a player like her but

pick up that maybe that consistent flicking ability of her. Was it was it like that?

>> Mostly her like she she would like walk the talk kind of a person. Yeah. You know like that's a pretty cool thing. I

played with her again. we had we were playing for Manchester Super Jans and I was like wow [laughter]

we opened together and I was like okay nice I didn't show it to her that okay you know I've [laughter] been I I played

it pretty cool but uh but but yeah I was very happy and excited about it I was like wow I grown up watching her and now

I'm batting with her >> so now see you felt excitement a little bit

>> you don't feel a lot of excitement >> 10 minutes I said 10 >> [laughter]

>> I was like once you once I entered the field and we start playing

let me name like four top emotions of human beings and you tell me what do you feel about them like what's your

definition of let's say anger like what do you think about anger [laughter]

>> what do you do when you're angry [snorts] >> be quiet.

>> Uh Jimmy somewhere said, "No, you give silent treatment." >> Ah, yeah. Be quiet. I'm very quiet.

>> Which is worse. >> I don't know how it is for people. >> Yeah. But be quiet. I mean, I feel like

because I feel it's a Cancerian trait that if you get angry, you could talk something which would hurt the other

person a lot. So rather than hurting that person, just be quiet.

>> Have there been in instances where >> Yeah. Yeah. every third [laughter] fourth day something or the

other happens and I feel like hitting a person and I'm just like >> I take half an hour I'll just be quiet

about it and just I like [clears throat] after half an hour see most of the emotions after half an hour you're

neutral about it >> that half an hour is the hardest to like manage

but yeah I do get angry but >> not like somewhere where I lose what I'm saying I always want to be in control of

what I'm saying >> but have you blasted where you're like you've just And you ended up hurting

other person. So you realize that I should >> I could do that. I could do that.

>> You must have. >> I have. I have done in my life. >> That's why you know it. You're aware of

it. That's I know I could and I have done that in life and I don't think I should like there are times where of

course you you do that. You're not like any you're human still. >> Yeah. But and then I realize that the

friend who I've done that to just like gone [laughter] and then I just feel like and the next moment you start

feeling guilty that oh you made them go through that what you said. >> So that's when that makes me feel guilty

that you know I put them in that sort of a space. >> So then I like then I kind of got it

covered. Mhm. >> But yeah, anger is something no one resonates with me, but I have a lot of

anger. But I just I'm very controlled person. >> Do you channelize that for a better

thing? >> Only with batting only. >> But no, but do you feel

like anger makes me worse person? Like it it makes me worse. So I go I'm silent and then I sleep because I know I can

end up hurting someone right but there is a friend of mine who gets extremely angry and then starts writing what are

the things which triggered him >> that what was the trigger and he's become much better person

because he's like the things which used to make me angry or offend me doesn't anymore

>> because some pattern maybe picked up from somebody >> so like normally randomly I wouldn't get

angry on normal people but like your friends and your close people you get angry in a certain way

>> at at moments I've realized it's better to be quiet and not do right wait nothing just just

>> take a ch [laughter] my worst moments or anger anger side of my channelizing is watching Mahabharat

like I mean I'm a big mahar fan like for me >> what Krishna g says is like rules of

life types I'm that sort of a person like my spirituality is like going by his preachings like that is my way of

spirituality. So >> so yeah I watch some episode of Mahabharat and then sleep.

>> What triggers you to get angry like what makes you angry? >> Anything? [laughter]

>> Tell me what's >> when you're driving and someone just crosses you for no reason.

>> So you're short tempered like that. >> Yeah, I can be but again I don't necessarily say anything but

>> but in your head. >> In your head. Yeah. Like [laughter]

I'm like that way. So So you you get angry but again [laughter] all of a sudden you're like

you got angry. >> Yeah. I got angry in my head like I told >> outside your zen like inside you're like

full chaos going on. >> Huh? There can be anger. Yeah. I that's what I'm said. uh no one resonates with

me but I'm a very like I could get very angry and I'm like don't take panga with me type person

>> like till I don't come in your way don't come in my way. >> Do you take revenge?

>> Huh? I won't take revenge but like I'll not forget it also [gasps] but I won't do like bad things to that