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I am Amanda Seals. >> Hey guys, what's up? This is Andrew Callahan. >> Hi, my name is Candace Owens. >> Hi, I'm Sam Cedar. I'm Dr. Myle Varovski, better known as Dr. Mike across social media. >> I'm Skip Bis. >> I'm Mandy Hust. I'm a journalist. I'm the editor of Zateo. >> My name is Brian Johnson. >> Hi, my name's Alex O' Conor. >> I'm Dr. Jordan Peterson and today I'm surrounded by 25 atheists. My next claim is that morality and purpose cannot be found within science. >> How you doing? >> Nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you. >> I guess since you said morality and purpose cannot be found in science, um it would just depend on like what you're referencing. If you're saying a description of your psychological preferences would be considered within science, sure. But I don't think that you have to say that it comes from science in order to be like an atheist. As an agnostic atheist, I don't know if God exists and I don't believe that a god exists. And the only ones that I would really reject would be like the all- knowing, all powerful, all good, perfect notion of God that plenty of Christians like prescribe themselves. So, I guess >> how is that relevant to this claim? >> You're basing a position of morality and purpose in some like notion of God that isn't the same type of notion of God that typical Christians would prescribe. Your notion of God is >> what typical Christians? >> Yeah. Typically when I talk to Christians they they say that they believe in an all knowing >> about Cardinal Newman who defined God as conscience. He was a major influence on all of Catholic social theory. How about that Christian? >> Sure. Um so do you believe in the all knowing all powerful all good notion of God? >> What do you mean by believe? >> Do you think it to be true? >> That's the circular definition. What do you mean believe? >> How is that circular? Because you added no content to the answer by substituting the word true and believe. >> I said you think it to be true. >> All right. So if you believe something, you stake your life on it. >> What do you mean by that? >> You live for it and you die for it. That's what I mean by that. It isn't something that you say. It isn't something that's associated with logical consistency. It's not declarative. It's not propositional. It's not a figment of your imagination. It's the presupposition of your attention and your action. And you're either fragmented, in which case you worship multiple gods, or there's some unity at the bottom of it that makes you an unstoppable force. >> Okay. So, you're saying that you don't believe something if you wouldn't die for it? >> Not really. No. >> Okay. So, then >> how would you define belief? Something you say? >> Can I explain? I could believe it is the case that this pen exists, but if someone like threatened my life, right, I would lie in order to be able to save my life, right? Like I I think you would do that, too. You wouldn't lie to save your life. >> Be so sure >> you you wouldn't lie to save your life. >> How much do you know about me? I didn't lie to save my career. I didn't lie to save my clinical practice. >> Would you lie to like save your children, your mom, your dad? >> I don't think lying would save the >> No. Can there ever be a circumstance logically that lying could save someone's life? Yeah. And if you're steeped in sin, you're likely to live in circumstances like that. >> I'll give you an example. If you're like in like Nazi Germany and it is the case that there's like Jewish people in your attic and you're trying to protect them, would you lie to like the Nazis? If >> I would have done everything I bloody well could, so I wouldn't be in that situation to begin with. >> It's a hypothetical and it's not >> answer. >> No, I can't answer a hypothetical like that because it's >> Look, don't play games. >> I'm not playing games. I'm just asking if you hated it. If you present me with an intractable moral choice that's stripped of context and you back me into a corner, you're playing game. I just told you I would do everything that I could to make sure that I'm never in that situation. By the time you've got there, you've made so many mistakes that there's nothing you can do that isn't a sin. >> Being born in Nazi Germany and in trying to protect people that you care about, like there could be a Jewish friend that you have and you want to protect them. >> I think you should have them in your attic that line of questioning. give up on just like trying to clarify your position >> because it you don't like are you like uncomfortable with me asking this question? It's just a basic hypothetical. Like I could ask you >> it's just a basic hypothetical where where you're you put Jews lives at stake in Nazi Germany. That's just a basic >> obviously you would lie in that scenario to save their life but you're like not trying to answer this question for some reason. >> I just told you why >> are you anti-fascist? >> Like so you're anti-fascist. >> Why are you asking that? I was just asking just clarifying but like okay again you're not answering this hypothetical because you know it shows that you clearly would lie to someone >> answering it find acceptable >> obviously I care about truth >> I wouldn't be in that scenario >> obviously right logically because that's already happened like that's in the past you don't have a time travel device we're bringing this logical hypothetical up to show you that in some circumstances that do happen within the real world you would lie to save people's lives so your definition of truth isn't actually how we're typically using it so what you're trying to do is you're trying to muddy the waters when I ask like do you believe this? Do you think this to be true? So you don't actually have to answer the questions and plenty of Christians don't like that because they clearly see that you don't really like want to be associated with Christianity. >> Imagine that I was in a situation where the best I could do as a consequence of my previous mistakes was to tell the least amount of lie I could manage. But that would likely indicate that I had made all sorts of catastrophic catastrophic errors on my way there. >> So So you would lie to save someone's life. So again, you do believe it to be true in that circumstance even though you like lied in that scenario. So clearly that's the context that I put it in. >> You were not willing to die for it. You were not willing to let other people die for it. So that's not what you see to be true. Then seemingly >> you're doing exactly what I said you were doing at the beginning of the conversation. You're generating an impossible restricted hypothetical with no precursors to back me into a >> How is it possible? Is there something contradictory about it? Nice to meet you. >> Yeah. Nice to meet you, too. Great conversation. >> Nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you. Okay, so you say that women are more fulfilled at home with kids than going out into the workforce or getting educated. But that just really doesn't bear out when you look at the stats. When you look at how working mothers are way less likely to be in poverty, maternal education is the number one predictor of childhood outcomes, better scores, uh getting higher incomes in the future, fewer behavioral problems, better mental health. So it's weird to me with and college educated women are least likely to get divorced and they're the only women the top 10% of women of uh women in socioeconom the top 10% of women are the only women whose marriage rates are going up. So they're getting married, they're staying married and their kids are doing better. When you look at stay-at-home mothers, you see that they're more likely to report being depressed. They're more likely to report having um anxiety and anger and all these types of things. So how can you say that? seems like a woman, if you want to get married and have kids, you should go to college and have a career. >> So, I it sounds to me like we are looking at totally different statistics because everything that you said I I've actually read the exact opposite. >> I'm glad we're on a fact check show with you. Exactly. >> Oh, it's so exciting. >> That's going to be amazing. Okay. Because I know, like I said, I I think what we're talking about is that there was this widespread report on female happiness and I I know that it was it was formally debunked and it was >> that's not what I'm talking about. Pew Research, University of California. In fact, working mothers today spend more time with their ch children than women did in the 1960s that were at home. >> Okay. Well, women that I can tell you women that are at home are obviously spending more time with their children than the people who are at work. >> And their children are not fairing off any better and they're fairing off worse. >> How are you measuring their children fairing off worse? >> Uh how likely they are to uh higher incomes, better scores, fewer health problems, fewer behavioral issues, and better mental. So the the just to get back to the claim that I'm making here is that it is obvious that women who have children are going to be more fulfilled. >> How is that obvious? >> Because you said so. >> No, it's not obvious because I said so. It's because when you look at all the statistics in terms of women who are choosing not to have families, they are, as the person who just sat here before you mentioned, they are suffering from more depression. They're suffering from more anxiety. And yes, >> when you look at women who voluntarily don't have children, no, I'm not saying that. But that's not true. >> Okay, it is true. It is actually true that women who are choosing their careers over starting families are finding themselves leaning more on to on to medicines like Xanax, anxietyinducing medicines and depression because they suspended that time frame where women really should be looking to find a partner and to start a family because they were instead pursuing their careers. There has been a there it has been it is a dishonest it is is totally a dishonest narrative that men and women want the same things out of life. We don't we absolutely do not want the same things out of life. In fact, we don't even measure we don't even measure success the same. Men and women don't even measure success the same. >> So, but but tell me how the women who are working and getting educated why are they fairing off better in all of these? >> I am telling you that I do not believe they are fairing off better in all of these men and they're doing that because because of what? I am telling you that we are looking at totally opposite statistics. Like, so you're sitting here telling me that the statistics show that women who are working are producing better children. And I'm saying that >> the 20 2012 Gallup poll is that the women staying at home. >> Exactly. Wrong. Saying that women that grow up in a a two family home where the mother stays at home are fairing off better than the the children who are being raised in an environment where the women are working where both of the parents are away from the home. I do get to work from home. >> No, but I mean I've watched your show. You talk about all the nannies you hire and it's so hard to find a good nanny. >> Talked about all of the nannies I hire. You have >> I spoke about how difficult it was to find a babysitter who knew how to cook a meal and that's because >> you don't need a babysitter. You're already you could retire right now. >> You have to let people respond to you when they're when they're speaking. [clears throat] >> You don't want to respond to you when >> No, you don't want to. You want to be working, which is great. >> You're telling me what I want now and then accusing me of telling you, >> wait, are you you don't want to work? >> Can you just let me finish? because you've said so many words that you just what you're trying to do here like your argument style is I'm going to say so much not let her get a word in and then walk away and feel like I've won we're not having a conversation because you've not let me respond to either one of your points. Okay. >> What I am saying to you first to answer what you just said which was a lie. What I spoke to about on the weekends is that it's been increasingly difficult to find a 25-year-old who even knows how to make box macaroni and cheese. Right. It's and that's crazy. That's and that is in large part due to feminism. Women don't even focus. Women don't even focus. Like there's this there's this there's this idea that women [laughter] shouldn't be cooking. Like there's something fundamentally wrong with women even learning how to cook. You know what I mean? >> Spending as much time with your children as you possibly can because that's the way to get the most fulfillment. >> No. And that's what I'm trying to say. I am speaking to you. Stop. >> Okay. Could you please let somebody get in? You're not. You actually have not let anybody finish. And like I said, >> it's it's no one benefits when you're just speaking over me and not allowing me to respond. All you're proving is that you have an attitude and you believe in feminism, but you're not. See, you're that's what I'm saying. You just have an attitude and it's not it's not it's performative. Address my point. I will be quiet if you address my point. >> Does anybody actually feel here that I am being allowed to address any of her points when she just keeps running over me like you I'm literally trying to answer your first point of you saying that I don't stay at home. [laughter] >> Really weird. >> Fair point. Obviously, I get that you're all anti-Canis and pro- feminist, but also it's not productive if you're not actually >> Okay, address the point. You spend more time saying that I'm not addressing that you you don't have a chance to talk when you the whole time you could have addressed the point and you could have talked. I go for it. >> I just want you to know that you're not coming across as somebody who wants to actually have a conversation. So, to get back to the claim because I don't even know where you're at. You're now talking. You're saying that I said stuff on my podcast. >> I'll go wherever you want to go. I'll go wherever. >> So, do you want to start with me working at home? Cuz I work at home. You just said something about me working. >> You travel all around the world. I you you you're you do speeches and I love that. I love how ambitious you are. That's a really great trait. And if you were truly said that you would be more fulfilled. Now, one thing you do find is women, they don't want to stay at home when you pull them. They just want flexible working hours and flexible working conditions like you have. And I think we should all advocate for that. It's not one or the other. But when you sit here and you go, you'll be more fulfilled doing this and spend all your time doing that. We would love for you to leave the public eye and go focus on what makes you fulfilled. >> Okay. [applause] Magic Johnson is the greatest Laker of all time. So, um, Kobe Bryant, 20 years with the same team, 18 all-stars, 15 AllNBA, 12 all defense, MVP, two finals, MVPs, five championships. And even though he's done all of that, I think what makes him the greatest Laker of all time, it's different than what makes a player the greatest player of all time. Because like LeBron's not the greatest Heat player of all time, that's Dwayne Wade. So it's not just are you better, like are you greater, it's what you've done for that city and that franchise. And I would argue it I love Magic. I grew up on Magic. But when you watch >> it feels like you grew up more on co [laughter] >> I did I I'm older than I look honestly but but Magic when you saw him on the court he was like the greatest showman right he's performer charisma a smile the flashiness showtime right Kobe when you saw him on the court it was like watching your your brother you know your sibling or your uncle or some your son because he had this fully realized character arc. He was a rookie. He failed, you know, >> not drafted by the Lakers, but we got him, you know, early. >> And the air balls, you know, and then the rising to prominence 2000, >> just 18 years old, but go >> ahead. Yeah. The 2000 uh taking over in the finals after Shaq got hurt after Jaylen Rose shadily sprained his ankle and then he came back and then, you know, he got him back with the 81 later, but and then the championships and then there was another he went through kind of a villain arc. >> He did. You know, there was like Colorado, all the down years and like it >> if you're a fan, you're with Kobe's with you that whole time. And I actually didn't like Kobe early on. I wanted I was mad when they started playing him over Eddie Jones like early early days >> and you went through all of that and Kobe just won you over. That's why there are more than 350 murals of Kobe in LA. >> Okay. So, you're making the case that Kobe is dearer to your heart than magic was. He has a bigger place in your heart. And I'm making the case that Magic had greater impact consistently than Kobe had because Magic was the driving force of the Showtime Lakers and Kobe was not the driving force of the three repeat, right? >> Well, let me address that real quick. Uh you're cuz you're going to the finals and you're talking about Shaq, but that's always with the team from the East and the East had notoriously bad big men. Everyone knows in those years the finals was the Western Conference Finals. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And in those those series Kobe was instrumental. You know, in 2002, Kobe and Shaq basically throughout the whole playoffs had equivalent points. Yeah. The same amount of points. And Shaq himself has admitted on, you know, various podcasts and different things. He was never the guy to take the last shot. I know you value that, right? Jordan's your guy. Kobe is the closest thing that we've ever seen to Jordan. And he was a guy who never shied away from the moment. He was a guy who always made the most of his opportunity when he was there. >> I give you that. >> And the the sec I don't think he gets enough credit for the second >> run that he made with POW. That team wasn't I mean that's not an alltime team. You know his all time that his >> breakthrough was not against an alltime team because remember the Magic upset LeBron's Cavaliers to get to the finals, right? >> Yes. I mean, I I give you that, but you can only play the team that, you know, I think LeBron maybe he's the one who did. They had the Nike commercials, you know, but LeBron didn't supposed he didn't hold up his in the bargain. >> I mean, >> okay. So, you're okay with Kobe pouting in a game seven at Phoenix against Raja Bell? >> I'm not okay with it, but I mean, are you okay with 84 tragic Johnson where, you know, runs out the clock, throws the turnover right back the next year in ' 85 and he was there. He shoots a baby and Kobe bounced back the next year by going to the finals. >> Okay. He did. Yeah. After the You mean after the pout? >> After the pout. Yeah. I don't That's what to me those failures you're pointing at. Every player has failures except for maybe who's your goat? But but >> uh every player has that. Magic has that. Kobe has that. I think in terms of LA and LA, >> okay, but if you look at Shaq's numbers in those three finals, and I give you that the big men, the Tim Duncans were over on the other side of the bracket, right? But he goes 3817 and two in their first finals. 3316 and 5 and 3612 and four. Look at the assists. He's averaging five assists a game in the NBA finals. He it listen those three years and I've been doing this a long time. I was actually covering the the Kareem Lakers pre-magic out here in LA. >> Let's get voted out real quick. Real quick. Real quick. >> Uh, did were any of those finals really competitive? Pacers, Sixers, and Nets. No, THEY WEREN'T COMPETITIVE. THEY DOMINATED those teams >> because you had the greatest offensive force I've ever seen, including Jordan, where he was unrefereable at that point because I never knew whether it's offense or defense, you know, on the foul. I think Kobe could easily have had better numbers. He didn't have to. You know, Shaq, those teams were not equipped to play against the Lakers. Credit Alan Iverson for getting the one game in 2001. >> He was big. That was the greatest achievement of his career. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Good job. [applause] >> My next claim is that RFK Jr. is a public health threat. >> How you doing, sir? >> Hello. >> Good to see you again. >> Good to see So, I just want to say there haven't been a lot of people in public health advocating for natural remedies or even talking about working out, talking about getting the fluoride out of the water, talking about getting the chemicals out of the food. So, how could you say this when most of the problems that are facing this country, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, are really coming from all of these forever chemicals that are yes on clothes, but that even should be regulated as well. Wouldn't you agree? Yeah, I think that uh everything RFK Jr. says is not necessarily wrong. The best analogy I can think of is um if I have a clock that's broken, it's still right sometimes, but it doesn't mean I'm going to wear it and call it a good clock. >> I love that. Have you been wrong before in your life? Absolutely. >> In your p in your practice as a doctor, I've been wrong as well. And what I will say is all of us have the ability to atone. All of us have the ability to know no new information. And just like I hope that we can be able to trade information and look on the other side of the aisle and say, you know what, there are people who care about people. >> And I want you to realize that that's what you're surrounded by right now. We we're not only talking about ourselves in terms of our own well-being and saying this is my choice, but also saying there is a big issue in this country as it pertains to the children. we could just look at the children and even if we talk about once again the vaccine uh aspect of COVID and how COVID wasn't affecting children but yet all of these other issues are and they got to grow up in this world also the the idea for me that we have all of the testing and all of the evidence for CO is also false. So when people are skeptical and people are like you know I people say the different disinformation doesn't I say the divine information doesn't because they were kind of prophets when you look at it if you look back at their old claims a lot of things that they said came true even when we look at all of the things that Fouchi was involved in gain of function research everything going on in that Wuhan lab in China there's a lot of things that we can say so I would hope that based off of this conversation you could at least have a little bit of heart to say you know what maybe RFK is not just thinking about his career, but he's actually thinking about people, and I think all medical doctors should do the same. >> Yeah, I think everyone in this room has been very charitable in speaking with me, and I actually really appreciate it. Uh I'm here volunteering my time to try and just share what I've learned, my experience, my knowledge, what I would do uh if I was facing uh a dilemma with vaccinating my future child. And my goal is just to share the most accurate information because when I started in health care and I was a resident and I was in my training, >> the amount of negative things people were doing to their health like a lot of the metabolic things that you've discussed like the lifestyle choices were largely due to other people misinforming them or making miracle promises >> like almost like doctors saying cigarette smoke is actually good for you. >> Exactly. In fact, everything that we're doing in healthcare right now, like 50% of it over the next 100 years will be found to be ineffective or there's going to be something better >> and we'll go back to nature, right? >> And some of it will go back to nature. Like going back to nature sounds really good, but there's also a little bit of a fallacy in that. So like in nature, people walk barefoot, but we don't choose to walk barefoot because we don't want to get tetanus infection from the floor and get cuts on our feet. There's >> Yeah. and all of these chemical induced floors that we're putting all of these bleaches these things that are known forever chemicals but grounding is a thing earththing is a thing that has proven to help with >> so how do we balance a healthy lifestyle of being outdoors with modern science is where we need >> I think we can do it right because alopathic medicine did rule out once again I think I've brought up the flexibility >> I'm not an alopathic physician how how wild is that I'm an osteopathic physician >> so I think more of the holistic approach than a traditional alopathic physician I did not go to an alipathic medical school and I am very passionate about one thing that I feel like is lost in modern healthcare. The body's ability to heal itself. >> Yes. Amen. >> And I think that sometimes we envision so much more control than what we actually have. >> Like for example, do you think wearing a seat belt saves lives? >> It can. Yeah, for sure. >> Has it ever saved yours? >> No. >> Have you worn it all the time or majority of the time? >> I have not worn it all the time. You regularly wear it. >> Yeah, for sure. >> Does that mean it was stupid to have done so? >> No, not at all. But I think the seat belt risking my life as a vaccine would be risky. >> So there's some people that believe like antivaxers believe vaccines are harmful without great evidence that seat belts can cause you to get trapped and etc. etc. and actually believe that. >> No, I'm saying like antivaxers believe negative beliefs about vaccines that are not well proven. Some people say that about seat belts. Some people say that the world is not round and they believe it to be flat. >> Now, can you compare vaccine skepticism with really seatelt skepticism? Like, do you think that that really weighs people injured from vaccines? This is a real thing that >> people have been injured by seat belts. >> I I understand. So, I'm going to give somebody else a time, but you know, my claim is pretty much that RFK is standing up for a lot of different things that are going on in this country right now that are causing more damage than uh co. I would love for someone else to stand up for those things as opposed to our as well. Right. >> My next claim is that black-on-black crime is a result of underinvestment and overpolicing. >> So you say that black-on-black crime is due to underfunding and overpolicing essentially. Yes. >> Uh I actually don't necessarily disagree with one of those. Um, I think that however the government, who do you think should be responsible for the funding piece of the black community? Should that be something that the government should step into or should that be something that we as black people need to handle ourselves? Uh, do Dr. Jordan Peterson and even Thomas Soul and several others have stated one thing that poverty and crime, there's a positive correlation. There's also a positive correlation in the black community of absentee fatherism being one of the root causes leading into criminality. Black male, black males that grow up without a father are 10 times more likely to engage in criminal activity. And so I think one of the >> Can I put a pin right there and ask you a question? >> Ask me whatever you like. >> What is the root cause of there being less fathers present? >> Bad decision-making on the part of the fathers. We live in a patriarchal system. Like it or not, men have dominated the social economic, economic, and political power of this country and the world since our existence. So our bad decision-m especially when we focus on the black community is the root cause of of fatherless. >> What type of decisions? >> Not marrying the women we decide to lay down and have children with. Not being careful with the seeds that we plant in women. No woman can get pregnant without a man planting his seed inside of her. So therefore, >> so it's marriage. >> Well, it that's a that's a part of it. That's marriage is a part of it. >> But the true piece that I'm looking at is connectedness between familiar units. The black community was at its economically strongest while being at its poorest during the uh segregation era. Prior to 1968, Dr. Martin Luther King in his last speech said that we have an annual income of more than $30 billion a year, which is more than all of the exports of Canada and more or more than all of the exports of the United States and more than the national budget of Canada. That was when we were economically at our poorest. Yet 85% of our black children were growing up with a father in the home. There was less black-on-black crime. There was less uh disenfranchisement. >> Why was there less black-on-black crime? >> Because we needed to live together. We had we had to stick by each other. We had to stick together. >> What was there also less of? >> I'm not sure where you're leading. It's a leading question. I don't like [snorts] this. >> We You don't like this? >> I don't like leading questions. [laughter] No, I like direct stuff. >> So, essentially, when we were living in our own communities, we were also policing our own communities. So, we were not being used as statistics in the same way to determine how resources were provided to our own communities. When we were going to the government saying, "Hey, we deserve because we are supposed to be separate but equal." We weren't saying, "Hey, we want to be with y'all." We were essentially saying we want what you are stating we deserve. And that is what all of the efforts of the civil rights movement has been. It's literally just been to say you said when we got out of the civil war that we would be considered citizens and all cons all citizens should be getting equal access to these things. However, you are actively allowing the clan to harm us. You are actively allowing >> who's killed who's killed more black people, the clan or us? >> I would like to continue my statement. I let you speak uninterrupted. When we talk about this concept of who is harming us, we are really making a false claim when it comes to black-on-black crime as if there isn't white-on-white crime. There's also this unnecessary effort to try and pathize black-on-black crime in a way that you don't try to pathize white-on-white crime. There are white people killing each other every single day. Now, they may be on jet skis in the pictures after they shoot up their whole family, but nonetheless, there are white people killing each other every single day. Now, much of the reason why you may see more numbers in terms of black-on-black crime are for two reasons. One, the statistics be lying all the time. We have seen this. >> What numbers? Okay. When you say that, >> we've seen this in a real way. So, in New Jersey, when you say no, what numbers can be trusted? Cuz with the previous speaker, YOU SAID >> I'M ABOUT TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY. SO, your sources, >> you can't such number. No, I'm literally about to give you an example of numbers not being able to be trusted. >> Okay, talk to me. >> That's what I was doing. >> Okay, then then listen. >> Oh, my ears. >> So, listen. In New Jersey, they had a statistic that was created by the police department that said, "Look at how many black people are committing crimes. Look at how crazy this number is. These black people are so exorbitantly violent. Look at this." And then people went and actually matched the names that they were booking with the faces of the actual people incarcerated. And it was proven that they were lying. >> So that's one. Okay. So that's ONE INSTANCE. HOLD ON. NO. NO. YOU'RE TALKING TO somebody that works as a police dispatcher when I'm not making content. So here's the thing. So, no, no, no. YOU SEE, THE TRUTH IS, YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE THE TRUTH IF you just give me a second. Like Trump said, just give me a second. I'm going to do the weave, but give me a minute. >> Well, here's what you all keep doing. You keep interrupting me when I'm talking and you don't want to hear the point that I'm going TO MAKE THAT YOU want me to respect your point. AND THAT'S NOT HOW A DEBATE WORKS. SO, IF YOU WANT ME TO KEEP GETTING LOUDER, I WILL DO IT. But ultimately, IF I SHOW YOU RESPECT, GIVE ME THE RESPECT BACK. I let you talk. I let you make your points. I am countering your points. and my points are just as valid as yours. Even though you got a pocket square and a Church of Christ uh pin on your chest. It's >> not a Church of Christ. It's whatever. It's a cross. Same difference. You got an American flag and you think you know something cuz you a cop and ultimately not a cop. It's a it's a cabab all day over here. So, let me make that clear. But let me also add to my point. >> My point is that you can sit here and blame black people on black people all day long and not acknowledge that we are forced into you're going to interrupt me again. I haven't even said a word. >> All right, that is flagged. So, I'm going to ask you to return to your seat. >> It's a waste of my time. >> Y'all just want to be seen. >> I don't need to be seen. >> My first claim is Trump's attack on DEI hides his real goal, which is to give corporations more power. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> How are you? >> Good. How you doing? >> Okay. When it comes to DEI, essentially if a person was not racist, he would hire someone regardless, right? So why would we need a policy to protect a person if we've moved past racism? So would you consider yourself racist? >> Wait, are you suggesting we've moved past racism? >> Would you consider yourself racist? >> I consider myself and sometimes I practice I think we all practice like some form of, you know, white supremacy. I think actually like we all do to some degree. >> Well, I'm I'm glad that you're saying that. So, I guess going to the LGBT topic, it seems like it's very prevalent for you as an issue. Do you >> It seems like a big issue. I mean, the the Republican party spent literally hundreds of millions of dollars demonizing trans people. >> Well, the reason why they've done something like that, and I think you're misconstring the narrative, they haven't demonized them. They simply want protections back for their own children because children are being stripped away from their parents. >> Their own children. Wait, children are being stripped away from their parents. >> Yes. Due to AB uh 954, they've now included gender identity as a premise to remove and strip parental rights for children who who maybe they are uh rejecting their gender ideology. But you'd be okay with parents who agree with their their children's doctors to provide uh gender affirming care. >> I do not agree with that. Do you? >> I I believe that parents and doctors uh can make those decisions. If with the kids, >> if a child can't smoke, drink, or have sex before the age of 18, they should not be able to consent to a sex change. Now, in terms of a DEI initiative, in terms of a DEI initiative, the reason why there's military bans on trans women and trans men is because they do not have the ability to cooperate at a mental capacity when they're constantly undergoing hormone treatment as well as depression pills as well as different mood stabilizer pills. And so when you go out to combat, do you really think you're going to bring an ice cooler pack with your uh whether that be hormone, estrogen, or whatever it may be, while you're about to shoot someone of the opposing uh war, >> the executive orders that Trump gave were DEIA uh orders that had to do with agencies that have nothing to do with the military. >> Yes, they do. Yes, they absolutely do. the FDA, the they just they just they just revoked the ability of the Air Force to teach Air Force members about the Tuskegee Airmen. >> What are what are we talking about here? >> Okay. Well, >> honestly, like they're rewriting history. >> Well, that's your perspective, right? But at the end of the day, if a person >> tiki [clears throat] airman we can all agree existed, right? >> Just listen to this. If a if you were racist, right, and you were an employer and if you wanted to absolutely be racist and exercise that you would, I think DEI sort of prevents people from seeing the reality. If a person truly wanted to to hire you based on your intellect, based on your skill set, they would. DEI essentially provides tax cuts for the end of the year when you create your tax returns. They give you a tax credit for hiring someone who is black or a person of color. >> I don't know if you knew that. in these agencies >> in agencies in private uh uh private >> in government agencies they don't get tax cuts for for hiring people discrimination the other thing I want to kind of state here is that I've realized that a lot of the times with the liberals is that you guys push for for example for DEI and people of Latino or Hispanic descent and a lot of the times what you don't realize is you're actually doing more harm than good by putting them in positions where You make them believe that it's based on the color of their skin. It's based on >> DEIA does not h is not >> it's based on merit. DEI emphasizes color, skin color, physical attributes. >> It says that your the people who work in your agency. It is about it's about anti-discrimination. >> Discrimination against what? >> Against people who may have different uh uh cultural mores, may have different >> But that's irrelevant to a job, right? It should be based on merit and that is the emphasis. >> People get hired as a merit but if you're if you're if the DEI if the DEI a I'm talking about Trump's recision of these orders as an employer wouldn't you hire a person of color. >> Dude, if >> if you could pay them less. >> Listen, we're talking about government agencies that do not get tax cuts. They don't they government agencies >> They don't. No, these >> Yes, they do. They absolutely do. >> I'm talking about >> every every private and public sector gets tax cuts when you hire a person of color. >> Government agencies don't pay taxes. Government agencies operate on are funded by the government. >> That is not true. That is not true. And you know what I think I think the whole juxtapose of this entire conversation >> What month is this? >> This is uh January. >> Okay. So, we can agree on that. The FDA does not pay taxes. It does not get a tax cut because it doesn't pay taxes. DE IA >> forces them as an agency to say if you have a job opening, you must do your best efforts to make sure that every >> I like that. I love a buzz word. You must do your best effort. I love that buzz word. Okay, pause. >> Because you feel like you have to. You're pressured to. >> Yes, >> you shouldn't be pressured to hire someone based on skin color. >> No, not to hire someone on skin color, but put up notice about about what what the that the job exists. Make sure that you put it in different communities so that you have as wide an application pool as possible >> and therefore you get tax cuts. >> All right, return. >> At the end of the year when you file taxes, you get a tax cut for hiring someone who speaks a different language or different skin color. I don't know how to respond to that. >> All right. My first claim is QAnon is a baseless conspiracy theory. There's no evidence of a global cabal of Satan worshipping, child trafficking elites that control everything. [laughter] >> I'm quicker than man. Thanks for coming. I appreciate it. >> My pleasure, man. Hey man, >> I'm a little quicker now than I look. >> Yeah. >> So, my issue is with the claim in and of itself, right? The fact that >> QAnon may be baseless then means that there is no child trafficking ring going on. That's akin to saying that the Easter Bunny is uh not real. Therefore, there was no conspiracy to hide Biden. >> Before I want to before we proceed, >> there's definitely horrible child sex trafficking rings that are that are exist in the US. I just think that pedophilia is a pervasive problem among all crests of society. I just think that the rich have an easier time covering it up because they can pay for lawyers and they have money to keep people quiet. >> That in and of itself is a conspiracy that you just described. >> Well, then I'm a conspiracy. You know, I just don't think it's limited specifically to an unnamed anonymous class of baby eating elites. >> Well, let's say the NOS's that are unnamed, right? We have humans being trafficked in migrant camps going all across Mexico. Somebody pays for that. Whether it's NOS's, whether it's the UN, we have pedophile rings that we know have been exposed throughout the Catholic Church. there. It's hard to get more elite than the Vatican. Right. >> Right. Then you have people that are hiding obviously what's going on with Jeffrey Epstein, Jane Maxwell. So >> the idea that because we don't know who the tip of the spear is or that the Cobra hasn't shown its head means that there's no cabal behind the scenes, somebody is coordinating this. Now, let me put it this way. I wish that there was as much scrutiny being applied >> to the evidence that we have and that we've presented than there is to the conspiracy theorists that are presenting the evidence, right? Like a conspiracy theorist to me is a derogatory claim for people that don't trust establishment >> narrative, right? But the establishment has done everything they possibly can do >> to discredit themselves. >> And I I think that the establishment had a hand in creating QAnon. I think it's the sole biggest driving force and in making all >> careful Andrew, that sounds like a conspiracy theory. I'm just saying it's like if you think about this, right? Like we know with the Epstein stuff there were underage sex trafficking rings that existed, right? Now think about this logical digression from that and they're eating babies to get adrenochrome so they can be immortal. Think about how different >> I hear you and that's so that's disproving the existence of one by continuing to it's what we call searching for the falsehood, right? So something can't be true because three steps down the line something is untrue. That doesn't mean the first thing is true. We can agree that there are children being trafficked. Yes. We can agree that it seems to be some sort of systemic industrialized component to this ch child trafficking. Right. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> So then somebody has to pay for that. Somebody has to organize that. Somebody with means somebody >> that could be, >> I don't know, classified as an elite. >> Yeah. >> And that could be an elite child conspiracy, right? To traffic children. >> Could be a cartel middleman with a bunch of money, man. >> And listen, what what I would say is this. What people that trust establishment, >> not that you're one of them, >> what I wish that they understood is that we agree with them in that I hope I'm wrong, >> right? >> Like the establishment wants me to be wrong and I want me to be wrong. I don't want there to be children being trafficked and I don't want our government, our taxpayer dollars having anything to do with it. >> But I think that a conspiracy theorist used to be called an investigative journalist. We have questions and I think that those questions deserve to be answered and I think that that's the the issue here. When people say, "No, there's no list. >> Stop asking questions. Move on." >> Well, then we feel like we should ask some more questions. >> Yeah. And I feel like that that's got to be less than 10% of the population who says, "There's no list. Let's move on." >> Yeah. >> I think right now is probably the first time where you see like leftists and conservatives coming together to demand accountability from the government. No doubt about And I think that QAnon was probably a scop in in in of itself by Steve Bannon, Miles Quo, a variety of strange actors that work with the Watkins family and Hchan to basically discredit people from actually putting the target where it should have been, which is right in front of our faces. The richest people in the world, you most of them you can look their name up. Not saying there isn't people who are just random rich financeers that are anonymous, but we can see you can look at companies like Black Rockck, Vanguard, you can look up online. We're all we all have iPhones, right? Apple, these major social media platforms have CEOs. The Saudis, the richest people in the world are operating in plain sight. And so I feel like when you aim the target at this unnamed, mysterious cabal of people eating babies in the hills, you're basically creating a thing that doesn't exist to convince people to look in the wrong direction. >> But who who is doing that, right? Like you said, we can look up the richest people in the world, but we're everyday people. We have jobs. We have things that we're supposed to be focusing on that are outside the realm of information finding. We don't have the time to go through all of the different NOS's that these people have created to hide themselves from this. Right. >> This is the job of journalists. This is the job of our media. Unfortunately, our media has been captured by these same elites that you're talking about. Not to bring up another conspiracy theory here, right? But this is what used to be the estat the fourth estate, right? We used to be able to trust journalists to get to the bottom of it so that we the plumber didn't have to spend our weekends digging through tax files to be like, "Oh my god, did George Soros really get $270 million from USA ID?" >> Yeah. >> That's not what we planned on doing, right? This was your job. But now the conspiracy theory is anybody that doesn't trust the establishment narrative. They have made us distrust our neighbor and trust the government. They have made us look at each other from a veil of the citizen doesn't have privacy, but the government deserves privacy. There's a matter of national security, >> right? >> Well, it's a matter of national security that we can't know who was selling children. >> Yeah. >> Then I think they've answered the question. I think the Epstein thing is probably like the biggest potential breakthrough into dismantling some of those blackmail networks that have kept so much of the media and government compliant. But the thing is whenever people stop trusting the mainstream narrative, which overall I think is a good thing, it makes way for an entire vacuum. >> Give me real quick, sorry to cut you off, which is a good thing. Distrusting the mainstream med when people stop trusting the mainstream narrative and do their own research, generally that's a good thing. However, that creates a vacuum where people who are even less reliable can fill the void with just different stuff. >> But that's okay though because information is cleansing. Sunlight is cleansing. The best part about the conspiracy community, and I'm didn't start as a conspiracy theorist. I'm a I'm a, you know, a guy that trusts the government. USA, baby. >> But as you pull at these threads, you start realizing the government has lied to us over and over and over again. >> Yeah. >> Hell yeah. Good job. [applause] >> My next claim is that God commands genocide in the Bible. >> Hello. >> Hi, Alex. Nice to meet So you you pointed out several passages, but the prophets through and through condemn Israel in much harsher terms. And in fact, God dispersed them in much greater judgments because they were and in fact in Ezekiel it says that because you were supposed to be the light of the world, you are judged all the more strictly are more responsible. So God was just with Israel and in fact he placed more of a burden and a mantle and a responsibility on them and judge them for it than he did the nations. And case in point, what's already brought up was the the number of generations that passed before the Amalachites were judged and the Canaanites were judged. Yeah. >> But we can come back to that point. >> Okay. But can I ask you then? >> Yes. >> How do you define genocide? >> Right. If I may, I actually have a question I wanted to ask you first. >> I think it's important to know what we're talking about. What is a genocide? >> Based on the word genome, obviously edetmologically, we understand that it's you're taking it as a tribal seed line, which is fair. I could be tribe, religion, I can I can understand >> and we're talking about the destruction or attempted destruction of the problem or expulsion of people based on those characteristics. >> But here's the problem. >> Genocide uh the way it's especially the way it's used today implies that it's based on the race >> and that is categorically against the command of God to conquer the Canaanites. It had nothing to do with their race. It had to do with their sin. And in fact, this is so you know that when when Amalecch is attacked, >> right? Uh, Israel first warns another tribe that they're coming. Yes. And says, "Get out of here because because you were good to us when we came out of Egypt." Amalecch battled them when they came out of Egypt. He says to this other tribe, "You you guys get out of here." They they warn them, right? They don't say, "Hey, you get to stay here." They say, "You've got to go, but we're going to warn you first so we don't totally destroy you." That's right. In other words, it does seem to be I mean, why is it why is it that Israel are going into this land, the nation? Why are they going into this land? Because it was the land promised to them by God. Why does it need to be cleansed? Because there are people in that land. >> Deuteronomy chapter 7. Deuteronomy chapter 7 chapter 9. He says, "Do not think that it is because of your righteousness or because of anything that has to do with you that I brought you into this land, but it was because of the sins of the nations that I gave it gave it to you." This is Deuteronomy chapter 9. So, it's not it's not because he promised them based on some sort of ethnic requisite. He in fact the whole premise behind the destruction was the prototype of Sodom and Gomorrah. >> So, yeah. So, so then a question which I think >> prototype because Noah was >> a question which I think I know the answer to then. Do you think there was not one sort of good person? >> No. Exactly. And that's the point. >> And if that's the case, that's why I brought up. Let me ask you a second question. >> Well, hold on. Let me let me answer your question a little bit more. >> Were there any good people in Israel? In the nation of Israel, >> right? So, let me answer your question. >> If the answer is that there were bad people in Israel, too, why is it that they don't get killed as well? >> But the slaughter of the children, it's not about the slaughter of the children has the same problem because it has to do with innocence. Okay. So, let me address that that problem. >> No, no, nobody's innocent, but my my specific question is >> But you're saying the children in the in the land of Canaan are are innocent and they're being slaughtered. >> No, I'm not. That's not what I'm saying right now. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is that I I retracted the word innocent because I know it can be a bit tricky. Um, but >> what I'm saying specifically here is that if the reason why Canaan is destroyed is because they're immoral. There's all kinds of immorality happening within the Israelite. Hold on, hold on. Happening within the Israelite nation as well. If it's not about nation, if it's not about tribe, then why is it that Israel aren't told to kill the immoral people in their tribe, but only people in the other tribe? >> No, no, they are. And in fact, that's what they do. And in fact, that entire generation that was promised the promised land died out without seeing the promised land because of their sin. >> But not but not at the hands of the Israelites. >> Okay, fine. But but >> the Israelites are not told to expune their own nation of the killing. Let me give you and killing their animals. Let me give you a thought. Yeah, perfect. I'll give you a thought experiment. >> Let's suppose let's suppose that tomorrow we find out that the uh pedophilia rings that conspiracy theory is somehow true. Like just imagine like uh you know v for vendetta style like imagine like hackers just broadcast everything that was was going on the the all the all the blackmail tapes the diddy files the epste whatever okay you get the point so you have you have this sudden revelation of this grand conspiracy and it's and it's on a scale that no one ever imagined okay would you say that there is justice in bringing those people obviously no one would disagree in fact public opinion on execution might change at that point and even the guillotine might come back who knows if but I wouldn't kill that children. >> No, right. So, I'm getting there. So, we'll get there step by step. Let's start with the men and the women. So, let's suppose this in this example the con conspiracy theory is true and everybody finds out and then everybody agrees that the men and the women that were involved in this pedophilia ring, let's say, uh need to be judged. Okay? No, someone has to do it. We have no problem executing them. We have the benefit of technology that gives us a bit of indirectness. But if you didn't have that, you would have to either do it yourself or have your execution. But we're talking here about military execution of non-combatants, which is a war crime, >> right? So, no, no, no, it's a war crime according Yeah. But let me But >> you've been voted out by the majority. >> My final claim is that Donald Trump's plan for Gaza is ethnic cleansing. >> Oh, great. >> Hello, sir. Welcome back. >> See you again. All right. So, I agree that Trump wants to do a cleansing, but not an ethnic one because that area requires a lot of cleansing because when you have a population that was taught from early childhood age to hate Jews, Christians, and pagans, you need some serious re-education. >> Number one, that's not true. And number two, that's not what he's proposing. >> Well, I mean, mo most Palestinians by polling number do support Hamas. >> They support resisting Israel. Well, I mean the thing is, you know, what did they do in the first place that they are in this uh what you call open air prison? >> Great question. What did they do to deserve being occupied? >> Well, here's the thing. Because the Islamic Republic in Iran is using them as a tool. >> What is this? >> As a tool for their Islamic expansion. >> When did the Islamic Hold on. When did the Islamic Republic of Iran You're Iranian American, I believe? >> Yes, I am. >> When was the Islamic Republic of Iran founded? >> 1979. >> When was Gaza occupied by Israel? uh 19 well the very first7 67 yeah so can we do the maths together 12 years before the Islamic Republic of Iran existed Israel was oppressing occupying dispossessing the people of Gaza so your argument makes no sense >> were there any terrorist organizations at the time >> the PLO was considered a terrorist organization by the entire western world >> all right so was Hamas there >> Hamas did not exist till the 1980s >> exactly my point is after the Islamic Republic came it became chaotic because the Islamic Republic started to lose the what the so-called innocent Palestinians for their own sins. >> So-called innocent Palestinian. You don't think Palestinians are innocent? >> Not all of them. Because >> what about the 17,000 children who were killed? >> They're doing the same. >> 17,000 children were killed. Were they not innocent? >> Who uh were they not innocent? >> Who's responsible for that? >> Israel dropped the bomb. >> Hamas is responsible. Hamas is responsible for hiding in hospitals and and banking tunnels underneath. >> So when children are shot in the head by Israeli snipers, Israeli snipers aren't responsible for that. >> Look, it's a simple question. Here's the problem. Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian children in Gaza in the head as eyewitness testimony and doctor's testimony proves that's not the fault of the Israeli snipers. >> This is this is the problem because then you have a problem. >> The problem is you won't answer the question. I'll ask you a third time. When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian children in the head, is that not the fault of Israeli snipers? >> Well, you got to let me finish. >> No, you got to answer the question fourth time. When Israeli snipers Palestinian children in the head, we're running out of time. I need to know what you think about innocent children because what you said was pretty outrageous. You said so innocent Palestinians for the fifth time when Palestinian children are shot in the head by Israeli snipers. Is that not the fault of Israel? >> What did those children learn do? >> What did you tell me? Did the children deserve to be shot in the head? >> Because the problem is millions of people are watching you say brainwashing children. They start brainwashing children at a at a very long young age. >> So you support sniping children in Gaza? Do other people here support sniping children in Gaza? Is that a conservative position now? >> What if they're wearing a suicide vest? They weren't. >> But what if they are? >> They're not though. Children. I have friends who went there. Doctors went to American doctors. They came back and said, "We have multiple children." >> What if they're hellbent on killing you and your family? >> A 10-year-old child, an 8-year-old child, a six-y old child. >> Because because you sitting on television where millions of people are going to see your neighbors, your friends, you support the killing of children. Millions of people don't know what's going on. >> Even your fellow rightwingers are saying, "Don't go this far. millions genocide. Sure. But don't >> millions of people don't understand the brainwashing that is going on in Isra Islamic Republic and in Palestine to create this obsessed with Iran so much that you're supporting the killing of Palestinian children who never harmed you or any other Israeli. That's insane. Look, >> and the fact that you support Trump's ethnic cleansing now doesn't surprise me. >> I didn't say ethnic cleansing. I said cleansing of the land >> because you need to cleanse the land because similar stuff. >> You've been voted out. Please return to your seat. My first claim, ending death should be humanity's number one objective. >> Hi, Brian. My name is Chelsea Gods and I sit across from you today. I think I'm going to say the thing that a lot of people in the circle are thinking. It's easy when you're rich to care about not dying. >> Most people spend all day every day also caring about not dying because they're living paycheck to paycheck. >> 60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Being poor is the story of humanity across the whole globe. I think listening to a man who doesn't know what it's like, how he's going to make rent next month, that to some of us, it feels pretty strange to hear you tell us that we're not focused on being alive. I think every person here is struggling to be alive every single day. I think most people in this country are struggling to be alive every single day. And when they smoke a cigarette, it's not about whether they want to die. It's about enjoying that moment. I'm talking to a man who publicly has said that you eat pured food every day. And you're telling me, a normal human being who is like everyone else, struggling financially and whatnot, how I should be living my life. And I think there's something that's really disconnected about that. I also think that it's really false of you to claim that people are focusing their life on dying when really all of us are focusing on surviving. That's why we're here. Every one of us is here today because we're surviving. We don't go to McDonald's and think, "Oh, this is killing me." We go to McDonald's because we don't have enough time in the day to make dinner. Because we can't afford to go to the grocery store and buy a $20 steak because we can't shop at Airwan and get $40 of strawberries, you know? So, I think a lot of us are here wondering what does you, a person who's rich, who doesn't know what struggle is like, and who also talks about the fact that you use your own son's blood, >> have to add to us as humanity. >> Yeah. Hi, Chelsea. >> Hey. >> Yeah. I I grew up uh with four other siblings, uh single mom. My mother made my clothes uh because we didn't have enough money for her to buy clothes for me. I went to school and I got made fun of because my clothes didn't fit and they were awkward. Uh, I didn't have money my entire life. Uh, I became an entrepreneur. I struggled for 14 years with no money whatsoever. So, I understand what it feels like to have no money. I didn't know what it feels like to be poor. So, I've been through that. I also was chronically depressed for 10 years. I wanted to commit suicide desperately. I really would have commit committed suicide had it not been for my three kids. I felt like I had a responsibility to them. So, I understand struggle. I understand pain. I was, you know, 50 pounds overweight. I was in a terrible shape. And so I understand what it's like to be that way. My argument is not to criticize you or anyone else. What I'm arguing is that companies have built their products to make you addicted and to make you ill. That's that's the core thing I'm trying to say is that the most powerful economic engine in all of history, the American uh economic engine has pointed itself at creating addictive foods and phones and social media and porn and junk food. >> Do you not think that you're addicted to trying to stay alive? Do you not think that that's an addiction? Do you think not doing face fat like fat injections in your face constantly doing plastic surgery? Do you not see that as an addiction yourself? >> Uh no. I view I view it as a pursuit in we're trying to figure out how >> so if I change the name of my addictions to a pursuit then maybe you'll think that it's socially acceptable. >> Uh I think that we share something in common that neither one of us wants to die in this moment. >> I mean not today but sometime hopefully you know hopefully. >> Yeah. And I think that a lot of people would change their opinion and want to exist if the conditions of society were not so brutal. It's not fair for >> What have you done to change those brutal conditions in society? You're a person who has literally hundreds of millions of dollars and you spend $2 million every year trying to look younger and honestly you look your age. >> Like that's the reality. And I'm not even the first person to say that. So what are you doing to make humanity better really? Other than pursuing your own vanity. >> Yeah. Well, I share everything I learn from all the scientific evidence with everybody for free. >> But it's scientific evidence from your own body, right? So the study isn't terribly useful to the general population because a black woman isn't going to have the same biometrics as a 48-year-old white man. So, I mean, in some ways, it's kind of a selfish pursuit that you're trying to make it seem like it's altruistic. I feel like that's the disingenuous part of this conversation is that you're coming at it from an argument of altruism, but I see it, and I think a lot of people in this room today see it as selfishness and greed to try and hold on to life as much as you can. So much so, that you bragged about using your teenage son's blood, which I have to tell you, history is not going to be kind about that. Nobody thinks about that woman in the Turkish royalty who bathed in handmaidadens's blood and has a positive feeling about that. I don't think anyone is going to read about you in the future and be like, "Oh, wasn't that great? Wasn't that awesome that Brian Johnson used his own teenage son's blood to make himself younger?" No one's going to feel that way. >> So, two things. One is the evidence is based upon population level evidence. It's not on Brian Johnson. It's not 48-year-old males. It's population level evidence where you can make conclusions like 7 to 8 hours a night of sleep is good for. >> And that's something that rich people get to do and poor people don't get to do. Do you think rich people are working overnight shifts? They're not. >> Yeah. You need to give me a little space to respond. >> Sure. Of course. >> Okay. So, you did the other thing you were saying about my son's blood. So, the reason that came about is my father is now in his early 70s. He has cognitive decline. He called me one day and he said, "Brian, I'm suffering that I can't now complete basic work projects. I'm losing my mind and I'm terrified. I said, "Dad, my team and I are doing research on cognitive decline. There's a new therapy of change exchanging plasma. If it would be helpful to you, I'd be happy to do this." So, I did the plasma exchange for my dad because he's losing his mind. Now, my son said, "Hey, Brian, dad, if you're doing this, I'm happy to do it, too. We'll make it a trigenerational thing." It wasn't me and my son. It was me doing it for my father. The press, of course, makes headlines of that and they make you believe that I'm a nefarious actor. That's not the case. But it's not really just the press doing that because you walked into this room and that was one of the very first things you said about yourself. You wore it like a badge of honor. And I think that you do that because it's controversial. To sit there and say that that label is given to you by the press is a little bit disingenuous because you gave that label to yourself and you did it to be shocking. You did it to make headlines yourself. So to put that onto the press I actually think is really disingenuous. >> Thanks. I don't like talking to win, but there were portions of all the conversations that were truly productive and that it's instructive for people to see the distinction between a debate that's aimed at local victory and dominance, let's say, even of ideas and a discussion that's predicated on mutual exploration and establishment of like a harmonious understanding and peace. >> I thought the cast was fantastic. I really had a good time. I thought the perspectives were great. >> I'm glad that I did this. I think that at the very least the topics that were brought up in the short time we had work as a incredibly effective springboard for people to think about this kind of stuff. This will hopefully be the beginning of a fountain of useful information and content on those topics.