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it. What's up, dog? How are you?

>> Well, dude, it's been a roller coaster

for me, man.

>> Since the last time I saw you?

>> Uh, big time.

>> What happened?

>> Well, um, let's see here. um

the uh the year of 2022. Last time I saw

you, I think it was 2023.

>> Was it that long ago?

>> I think it was, man.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. And uh man, dude, I was on high

the the year of 2022.

Like we had uh our Jackass movie in

theaters. It's number one. There's big

like, you know, my profile was all, you

know, like white hot. Um, the world just

opened up from the pandemic and

everybody had stimulus money and there

were just revenge spending. Everyone

wanted to go out to shows and there were

no interest rates. Money was free. It

was just like a perfect storm for me to

have the most successful year of my

life. Like more than double what my next

most successful year was. And then like

I don't know I maybe I just got like

uh super super high on that, you know,

like and it was just like

I was just kind of printing money, you

know, like selling merch like crazy and

like everything was just going so well

and um I don't know if maybe like you

become more successful and like people

get angry at you, you know, but uh

there's a po like a point after that

where I felt like, man, the internet

turned on me kind of, you know, like I

saw a lot of negative comments, people

saying that all like all I do is promote

merch, you know, like there was there's

a bunch of different stuff and I um

legitimately agree. That's my thing is

when I see a negative comment about me,

if I agree with it, then it really

bothers me, you know, and I got to do

something about it, you know? I think

and and I've heard you say that that uh

you know that that that uh taking

criticism constructively is like super

helpful.

>> It's very helpful. The problem with the

internet is

>> there's it's overwhelming. It's too many

too many voices, too many different

people. That's why I would never

recommend for a person like you to even

read the comments.

>> Right. I What I did was uh

>> Do you have a dick tattooed on your

right eyebrow?

>> Is that what that is?

>> That's exactly

>> How long do you have to keep that for? I

don't have to keep it for any amount of

time, but

>> it's not a bet or anything.

>> I mean, it is a bet how long I last

before I get it lasered off.

>> And is there a money No value to this

bet?

>> No, it's more of an experiment.

>> Oh,

>> but but I've been doing really well with

it. And

>> it's not even a good dick. It's like a

weird dick. Like a banana dick.

>> Um it's it's uh it's pretty awesome.

>> And it and it was

>> I think you're bad at taking criticism.

It uh it it it was done by Post Malone.

>> Oh, it makes it even better.

>> Very It makes it awesome. Yeah. I don't

expect to keep it forever, but I was

very shocked when I got it that my life

didn't really change a whole lot.

>> Yeah. It's you,

>> right?

>> You know what I mean? Like if uh

>> you know, Marco Rubio got a dead tattoo

on his forehead, he'd be like, "Hey,

take his clearance away."

>> Yeah. Um, but in any case, man, like um

I uh I just you couldn't be more right.

There's so many voices and everything,

but I agreed with a bunch of stuff and

um you know, I spent like

2024,

2025 like like very mindfully

um addressing the, you know, the

criticism with which I agreed. And I

felt like I made like really good

progress, you know, like sort of uh

repairing my my reputation, even though

maybe I didn't even need to.

>> I don't think you needed to.

>> Maybe not. But uh and and then coming

into 2026, I was like, "Wow, I did this.

I I uh texted you. I was like, "Dude, I

got on this Mr. Beast thing. I won the

whole damn thing." And uh you know the

this video he made 30 celebrities

compete to win a million dollars for

charity.

>> Oh, who you on with?

>> Uh dude, it was uh Matt Refe was one of

them.

>> Oh, cool.

>> Salvano.

>> Oh, nice.

>> Howie Mandel Diplo.

>> Nice.

>> The Bella Twins.

>> Oh, so that's a crazy group of people.

>> It was really crazy.

>> You said there was 20 25. Oh, wow.

>> Yeah. 30. like like not halfass

celebrities by any measure.

>> And uh yeah, I won the whole damn thing

which was

>> So what was involved? What'd you have to

do?

>> Um there was uh the I mean it was it was

an exercise in promoting his beast games

on Prime,

>> which by the way is the most phenomenal

TV show that I've ever watched.

>> Yeah. My daughter was just telling me

about it. She was saying it's so good.

>> It is unbelievably good. And and I'm not

being paid.

>> He's a wizard, man. That dude's very

smart. Yeah, I got that.

>> He's like a really interesting guy

because he's kind of open about what he

does and he tells people how to do it,

right?

>> You know, like how to manipulate the

algorithm and how to get people to get

excited and click on your link based on

what the images and the text says. And

>> he thinks about all that

>> Yeah.

>> I I was able to have him on my podcast

uh like right right when the thing came

out.

>> Uhhuh. and he was telling me that um

that he was pretty close to recording a

podcast with you on the top of the

pyramid.

>> Yeah.

>> I couldn't make it out there. I didn't

have the time.

>> Yeah. But you know, he's amazing. And I

thought when that thing came out, I was

like, man, this is just going to like be

life all

>> here's the thing. People got mad at him.

They got mad at him when he was filming

in Egypt because he was filming with

Zahi Hawas. And Zahi is the what is he

the head of the Ministry of Antiquities.

Is that what it is? Or he was at one

point in time. He was one of you know my

most controversial podcast guest. People

did not like him.

>> Wow.

>> Because he's kind of he pushes a

narrative in defiance of all the

evidence that has been sort of uncovered

by all these other people. It's like

there's this evidence that shows that,

you know, the pyramids are so by these

guys, you know, Mr. Beast because Mr.

Beast did something with him and a lot

of people online are mad at him for

having this guy on Zion.

>> It's the guy who pushed the nobody knows

how they built the pyramids and he's

like, "They built it because it was a

national project." And I was like, "Come

on, bro." Like, that's a fun thing to

say, but that doesn't tell me how they

got all those rocks there. How? Tell me

how they got 2,300,000 stones that weigh

between two and like 80 tons

>> and they moved them through the

mountains, some of them 500 miles away.

Like tell Well, tell me how they did

that. Tell me how they aligned it to

true north, north, south, east, and west

4,500

plus years ago. And it's more likely

plus than minus. I mean, nobody knows.

So he So that was really controversial.

A lot of people mad at Mr. Beast for

that. But in the like the algorithm that

I have, people are calling him a shill

and

>> letting this guy say nonsense on your

show.

>> Wow. Okay.

>> So that's the point. It's like don't

listen.

>> Right. Right. Right.

>> Nobody gives a No. No. None of Mr.

Beast is fans like we're going to

abandon him. He has songwan spitting out

propaganda. Nobody nobody cares, man.

There's just too many voices. And if you

look at yourself if you feel like, oh,

I'm kind of whoring out my merch too

much, just back off of it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. That's what I did. That's

what I did. But he gets for

everything because he's uber successful,

right? So everything he does, like it

could be like he only gave away a

million dollars to charity. Like it's

It's ridiculous, man.

Like you'll never make all those people

happy. They don't want to be happy.

That's a big part of what's going on.

You're you're jumping into a pool of

mentally ill people and trying to stay

clean. You're like washing. Hey guys,

guys, let's be reasonable. They're not

reasonable. They're suicidal.

They know what a gun tastes like.

They've had it in their mouth recently.

This is not a place where you're going

to get like rational discourse.

>> Right. But again, it's when I agree with

stuff that that that it bothers you,

right?

>> But do that to yourself.

>> Right. Right.

>> Just look at yourself. Take a moment.

like did like there was a I don't know

if I was burned out like if I was in

touring but like um there was a point

going through 2022 in particular 2023

where like I just I I would lose my mind

over people being disruptive in the

audience at my shows. Like I don't even

want to um call them hecklers because I

think like heckler has like a

connotation of wittiness to it. I'm

talking about just drunk just

>> yelling yelling out and and and

disrupting the show. And I would take

the position. I'd be like, man, you

know,

>> uh the this whole audience of people

paid their hard-earned money to come see

this show. And this one person yelling

out is just fundamentally disrespecting

everybody who's here. And I'm not

standing for it. I'm drawing a heart,

you I would be like I would I would I

would snap be like no I would be

throwing people out. What happened was

>> everybody thought I was a dick, you

know? And like maybe so like maybe I was

burned out and it was like

>> you were overreacting, right?

>> Overreacting. And like that's that's

another piece of criticism that I really

really took to heart. And now it's been

over two years

like well over two years since I even

scolded an audience member to throw them

out. That's great. You just got to kind

of put that energy out there at the

beginning. We're all here to have a good

time, you know? We're all here to have a

good time. Let them know. It's like like

if someone's yelling out like, "Come on,

man. Keep it to yourself. Stay stay

calm.

>> Hold it together."

>> If I get like really pushed in in an

egregious situation, the farthest I'll

go is I'll say, "Hey, you know what

guys? I used to get really bent out of

shape over people being disruptive, but

I don't do it anymore." And that tends

to and as soon as I stopped reacting so

much like the problem mellowed out.

>> Well, you got to realize like your

entire career you've kind of been a

disruptor.

>> Sure.

>> So, it's kind of natural that disruptive

people would be attracted to come to

your show.

>> Of course. Of course.

>> And then you're saying, "Please be

polite at this m moment in time."

>> Right. Yeah. Like you're you're about to

see me put some things up my butt and I

demand respect.

>> Is that what you do in your show? You

put stuff up your butt. Well, it's a

multimedia show. So, um,

>> so it like it

>> So, of course you put something up

that's multimedia. I mean,

self-explanatory, Jamie, why what's with

the questions, Jamie? God,

>> right. Um,

>> I still to this day cringe when Tim

Kennedy choked you unconscious and then

let you drop.

>> I was mad at him.

>> Yeah, that that

>> I was mad at him. You didn't have to let

you drop like that. I did ask him to

drop me, which

>> I would have said no.

>> Yeah,

>> I would have said no. If you made me do

that to you, first of all, I would have

tried to talk you out of it, but then I

would have said there's no way I'm going

to let you drop.

>> In hindsight, it wasn't particularly

funny.

>> Not only was it not funny, it was like

super disturbing,

>> right?

>> I would have put a cushion under you at

the very least,

>> you know, like a nice like a like a one

of them judo pads where you throw people

on.

>> Being choked out in and of itself is not

>> not that bad. It's not it's not really

>> probably not the best for you,

>> right?

>> Yeah. I don't know what the data is. I

don't think a lot of jiu-jitsu people

have u done double blind placeboc

controlled studies on tap or no tap.

What's the best for your brain,

>> right?

>> I can't think it's good that your brain

gets shut off for a few seconds. I can't

think it's good. You know,

>> one of the gnarliest things I've ever

done in my life, if not the gnarliest,

um, way back in 2003, we had just had

the first Jackass movie come out. While

filming for the first Jackass movie, one

of the bits that it was never used

because it was too

>> too

>> for Jackass.

>> For Jackass,

>> right?

>> Do you have a clip of this?

>> Um, of of what? I'm sure that it exists.

Okay. But you you'll appreciate this.

The the the legend Jean Leel.

>> Oh, Judo Jean.

>> Judo Jean. The legend.

>> Real legend.

>> Yeah. Like they had Jean Leel. They

lined up the whole cast of Jackass. And

he just went down the line. Just choked

it all out.

>> Yeah. And like the swiftness with which

he got

>> Oh yeah. He was a brutal man.

>> I mean it was just like

>> super nice guy but a brutal man,

>> right? you know, and it was it wasn't

even brutal, though. It was like gentle.

It was just like I mean, it was just so

fast. It was just

>> his style was uh known for being

particularly painful. He uh my friend

Sylvio Pimementa was one of his students

and he was one of my first jiu-jitsu

instructors and he taught me a bunch of

Jean stuff and I was like, "Oh, what a

mean guy." Some of the stuff was so

mean. It was like knuckles in your neck

and like real real crazy that Jean

would do to people. It

>> was like particularly painful. There

>> you go. out cold. Oh yeah, that looks

gentle.

Super gentle. No, I'm not even kidding.

Like the way he's doing it. I mean, his

technique is so flawless,

>> you know, that um Chuck Chuck Liddell

was really good at it, too. He he choked

out one time. Um so

>> who did he punch? Who did he punch in

the arm? Full blast. Someone like that.

One of you guys.

>> Oh, that would have been before Jackass.

>> Was it Jason Ellis? I forget who it was,

but someone let Chuck full blast

right-hand them in the arm. I'm like,

well, that arm's useless for a couple of

months now. cra That's not like

your buddy punching you in the arm

versus Chuck. He's going to rip some

stuff apart in there. He might blow your

shoulder out. Like that's crazy to let

that guy hit you.

>> Yeah. What a sweetheart, too.

>> Oh, he's a great guy. Chuck Chuck was

the weirdest because when he was in his

prime, like you look at him, he was so

scary cuz he's tall. He was

built like a brick house, mohawk,

tattoo on his head. Super kind. Like you

talk to him. Super calm and relaxed. And

>> I spent a bunch of time with

>> great guy. Great guy.

>> Okay. So, Gene Leel like choked lay just

lays this all down one by one.

>> Okay.

>> It like they considered it too dark.

They didn't even like

>> just cuz he went unconscious.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Just like

>> What year was this?

>> They had 2002 that we filmed.

>> People weren't used to being people

being choked out yet. The UFC didn't

really get big until 2005,

>> right? Because of Chuck.

>> Really? Well, it was really because of

Stefan Bonner and Forest Griffin. Right.

Right. Right.

>> That one fight on the It's crazy. One

fight

>> on the Ultimate Fighter changed the

course of of the history of the sport.

>> That was the premiere on Spike. Yeah.

>> Uhhuh. Because there was a good fight

before that. Uh Diego Sanchez uh beat uh

Kenny Florian. So that was before that.

That was a really good fight, too. And

then but but that was like you know

Diego beat his ass whereas the the

Stephan Bonner Forest Griffin fight was

a crazy like like completely even fight.

Yeah.

>> And two dudes who knew each other really

well and they were going for it.

They said that during the time you know

like maybe a million people were

watching it at first and the peak was

like six or seven million which for them

was nuts. So what that meant was

everybody was calling their friend and

go, "Dude, turn on Spike TV right now.

This is crazy." And like, "What is

this?" Like no one knew what it was back

then. Like they had heard of Hoist

Gracie, but no one knew that it was

going to be on TV and like boom, that

was it. And then they had Chuck as the

champion, which was the perfect champion

for an emerging sport. This guy was just

a seek and destroy psychopath with a

tattoo like kanji tattoo on his head and

a mohawk just starching people.

Woo.

>> I remember that era.

>> Wild time.

>> I mean year 2000 was when Jackass came

out on MTV

>> and I mean at that time you couldn't

watch video on the internet.

>> That was the dark times. That was when

it was banned from cable and you could

only watch I got Direct TV because it

was the only way you could watch the UFC

>> cuz why I got Direct TV.

>> Um and and and uh

the media just wasn't so fragmented at

that time. There were only so many TV

channels. There was no social media, no

video on the internet.

>> So when something hit on basic cable,

>> it hit big. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And uh I think the most views the

most uh concurrent viewers on MTV that

we got was like 4.5 million. So

>> and and that

>> for cable that's a lot.

>> That moved the needle in a big way.

>> That's unheard of now,

>> right?

>> Which is really kind of crazy if you

think about it.

>> Y

>> that's how much things have gotten

diluted because there's so many show.

It's impossible to watch everything,

>> right?

>> Every time I turn on Apple TV, there's

some new interesting show. There's a

million of them on Amazon Prime

that you've never even heard of that are

really good. They're all over the place,

>> right, mate? You know, um I had uh the a

really great conversation with Mark

McGrath, the guy from Sugar Ray.

>> Oh, really?

>> Yeah. He's like I just fell in love with

this guy. I had him on my podcast and um

he made such a valid point about how the

'9s '9s nostalgia is so rad because it

was really the last time when everybody

watched the same shows on TV together,

right?

>> You know, like like all the albums came

out on the Tuesday like whatever, you

know, like everything every it was a a

communal audience for everything. We

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albums were going to be released and

everybody got excited about it. Oh, new

Van Halen.

>> Yeah, it was it was a fun time. It was

an interesting time and it was a time

like before the internet you had to find

out about stuff from friends.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, like I remember uh I was

headed to a gig with this dude. God, I

wish I could remember his last name, but

he was really funny. His name Johnny

something. I I I'll remember it

eventually. But we were on our way to

this gic from Connecticut. We were on

our way to a gig together and uh he's

like, "Have you uh heard of the brand

new Heavies?" And I go, "No, who are

they?" He goes, "It's a jazz band." and

they linked up with a bunch of rappers

and made this uh heavy rhyme experience

album. It was incredible. I'm

like, I would have never found out about

this.

>> Sounds sick.

>> Oh, it's sick, dude. There's there's one

with Gangstar. That's great. It's

getting hectic. It's great cuz

it's like you got this music that's like

this like real live band music. Sort of

like how that Tiny Desk show does it

now.

>> See, I don't even know the Tiny Desk.

Um, but like you got like cool G rap.

>> Oh, dude. Cool G rap.

>> That's it. Johnny Rizzo. How did you do

that?

>> That's another trick.

>> How the did you do that?

>> Shout out to Johnny Rizzo.

>> Transcript.

>> Is he around still?

>> Uh,

>> he was a funny dude.

>> He had like a rubber face. The dude

could make the craziest faces. Like it

was so funny.

>> Yeah. Back to the the choking out thing.

I think the reason why it was a dark and

disturbing

>> cuz you guys are twitching.

>> Yeah, it's the twitching when when you

when you get choked out, you're

twitching and that's a little bit

>> just waking up.

>> It's a little bit upsetting, but the the

the

>> That's hilarious. All the you guys

did that they left in.

>> Well, yeah. And and another big problem

is that with the choking out, it's

particularly imitatable. That's

something that we got to worry about.

Oh,

>> if um if it's something that little kids

could like pretty easily imitate, then

uh that's more problematic for us. But

in that whole, you know, experience,

Ryan Dunn

just came away feeling

qualified to start choking people out

himself.

>> Oh, no.

>> I don't know that Ryan Dunn had any kind

of uh combat sports background. I kind

of doubt it. I think it was literally

just from this one experience with Gene

Leel kind of watching it happen, having

the experience himself, he just started

choking people out and and uh back then

I I had a a wildly different style of

tour, but I was on tour nonetheless. And

Ryan Dunn would be with me on tour. He

would say to the audience, "Who wants to

get on stage and get choked out?" And

even back then, I was like out of my

mind on drugs. And and I was like,

"Please don't be doing this here."

It really really bothered. It made me so

uncomfortable. I would leave the stage

when Ryan Dunn was choking out audience

members. You know,

>> so crazy that they signed up for that,

>> right? And people would be jumping up

and down like, "Please, please."

>> Did he let them down? He didn't drop

them.

>> He did. He did let them down.

>> Very kind of him. Um but uh but it

bothered me so much until the one day

when I'd been on cocaine for like three

days in a row and I was feeling a little

bit self-conscious about how little like

uh very intense footage that I had been

generating and I was like you know what

today's my day. Ryan done choke me out.

And so he did it once and then he did it

again. He we spent the whole day he

six times in a row.

>> Um, and each time it became more like uh

violent, throwing me down. That's number

two.

>> It seems like he's uh having fun with

your body after it's out.

>> Yeah,

>> he's sort of just ragd dolling you.

>> Yeah,

>> dude.

>> Six of them in one day.

>> That's too much.

>> Oh my god. The last one.

>> Imagine that rarely happens in training.

Right.

>> Usually you tap out.

>> Yeah. The after this one, I think

there's two more. And the the last one

is just so upsetting.

>> This one?

>> Yeah. This is the one where uh where you

threw me on my head.

>> Oh, dude.

>> Yeah. Like right.

>> I don't want to see. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No.

>> Yeah. I landed right on my face, dude.

man. Why did he do that?

>> I Because

>> you wanted it to be more exciting. Like

>> I think that like

>> And the cocaine.

>> Yeah. There was cocaine falling out of

my nose in the shot

>> because I put it there.

>> Jesus Christ.

>> Jeez. And so I think that's probably the

gnarliest thing.

>> Yeah.

>> But uh but in any case, so

>> did you get hurt from that at all?

>> Uh I think I had a broken tooth.

>> Oh. From falling your face. Did you get

hurt at all from the repeated chokings?

>> I don't think so.

>> No.

>> It's pretty amazing given what I've put

myself through. both both professionally

and personally that like I've good

recall like you know pretty

>> How many times Johnny told me he's been

knocked out unconscious 16 times. How

many times do you think

>> I I'm not at that level. Um I got

knocked out um in the WWE ring

>> o

>> on Monday Night Raw. It was this was

this was a a heavy one, man.

>> What did you hit with?

>> Uh and it was an elbow that really put

me out.

>> Who hit you?

>> Um this is they call his fighter name in

the WWE was the Samoan bulldozer.

>> Bro, Simone's got some heavy bones.

>> Yeah. So

>> hit by a Samoan.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, dude, I bet you can

bring that one up. Really? The Monday

Night Raw, Steo and Chris Pontius, we

were promoting the second Jackass movie.

So, we're gonna get in the ring.

>> We're we're getting in the ring. We're

we're doing a whole match. And it's it's

fascinating the way that they kind of

block out what the matches are. It's

it's kind of like a jam band, right? You

know, like a jam band that you've got

like the kind of tent pull moments and

then you just kind of fill it in, but

it's like there's going to this is going

to happen, this is going to happen, this

is going to happen. And um what was to

be the last move uh it's called a splash

where this 350 lb Samoan bulldozer is

going to jump off the top rope and with

with me laying on the ground and like

body slam, you know, off the top rope.

>> But what I didn't understand, what I

didn't know is that the match for it to

be over that means the person who lost

like stops moving. You know, that's the

only way.

>> Well, you're not supposed to move

around.

>> Oh, you moved around.

>> I moved it so like

>> so he put you to sleep.

>> Yeah. Like he jumped off the top rope

and it was such a devastating blow that

I couldn't help but react, you know? I

was like, "Oh." You know, like, whoa.

Like, and I'm laughing and rolling

around like I can't even believe it. And

and he's looking at me like, "Oh, now

I'm disrespecting him because I'm moving

around." Oh.

>> So, so he hits me again and and I'm

confused because I understood that what

just happened was supposed to be the

final move, but now he just hit me again

and I'm like, "What are you doing?" You

know, like, but he's like, "If I'm going

to move around, he's going to keep

hitting me." So,

>> nobody told you that,

>> right? And so then he hits me again. And

>> right there, this is gnarly. Yeah, we we

got pretty radical on the Yeah, there's

a Okay, this this is

Dude, he drops his elbow. They They

didn't even show the end of the match.

They went to commercial because it was

too dark for the WWE to show. See right

there? Now, it's supposed to be over,

but

but I'm moving around.

And so,

>> yeah. So, now he's kicking me and I'm

like, wait, that dude I that I think

that elbow was what put me out. And they

they cut to the commercial. I don't

remember leaving the ring.

>> Wow. Yeah, that elbow looked pretty

hard, dude.

>> Yeah, they right there.

>> But it's also all the other banging of

your brain. I mean, this is a lot of

banging of your brain. The body slam is

a banging of your brain.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah, you definitely got a

concussion from that one, son.

>> Yeah. Um,

>> those dudes get concussions all the

time. You don't think about it because

you think, "Oh, it's wrestling. It's pro

wrestling."

>> But just the physical contact, it's

unavoidable. Those guys, when Hulk Hogan

came in here, man, it was one of the

saddest things. I'd met him a long time

ago um in Beverly Hills. I ran into him

in front of a cigar bar. I was like,

"Holy he was gigantic." And then I

met him the second time when he did well

I met him another time when he he and I

did a spike TV thing. It was awesome. Uh

and then he came in to do the podcast

and he had had so many back surgeries

that he was like six inches shorter.

>> Oh wow.

>> It was crazy is because they have to

fuse all of his discs and he had a cane

everywhere. Man, he was up. And

he said it was from that thing that he

would do where he would drop down on his

ass with an elbow. So every time he did

that he his back up. I mean,

think about how big he was in his prime.

300 plus pounds, right? So, every time

you're dropping down, your body's taking

the shock on your assbone of 300 plusb

flying through the air and bouncing off

the ground. So, all of his discs got

herniated. He had to get them all fused.

It was a horrible man.

>> Yeah,

>> those guys get busted up.

>> Yeah. The Rock is like a a weird he's an

outlier cuz I don't know what kind of

physical issues he has, but he doesn't

seem to have any. Like I worked out with

him. He's mobile. He could do stuff. He

looks amazing. It's like I don't know

how he got through that insane long

career and not got busted up.

>> Yep. I feel like uh Stone Cold Steve

Austin uh is in reasonably good shape,

too.

>> I don't know. I don't know about that

one, but I know a lot of those guys,

man, they they leave that career and,

you know, they have fake hips, fake

Yeah. backs fused. Everybody has

something wrong.

>> Yep. I've been pretty lucky. Like, for

the most part, I, you know, I've uh I've

had some hardware in my ankle. I've had

hardware in my collar bone. I had

meniscus surgery on my knee.

>> That's it for your knees? Just one?

>> Just one. And And it was an elective

one, too. like it was a partially torn

meniscus.

>> Why'd you decide to head it get it

snipped?

>> Because um I was told that um that it

would be better.

I don't know like uh in the long run I

would my knee would be better for it.

>> Yeah, I had it done on my left knee and

it was pretty good until a skiing

accident a few years ago and it's been

like irritating the out of me since

then. Then I've had a few other little

injuries with it. But um the thing about

it is like that cushion once it's gone,

it's gone. Like it doesn't come back.

And that cushion's kind of important.

Like my knee always felt a little loose.

Like that cushion like it was banging

around in there.

>> Yeah,

>> they do replace meniscus. They use

cadaavver meniscus, but it's not 100%.

It doesn't always work. I don't know. I

think they have to cut the entirety of

your meniscus out and put a cadaavver

one in there and then sew it in place.

That recovery from that meniscus surgery

was rough.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. Like that. Like

>> I thought that was one of the easiest

ones

>> for me, man. My my knee really hurt for

quite a while.

>> Um were you doing anything for it?

>> How long ago was this? 2006. Is that

what you said?

>> Oh, well now the

>> How long was it? The knee surgery.

>> The meniscus was recent. That was 2023.

>> Oh, okay. Well, um get on some peptides.

That's That'll probably help it.

>> I I I was I was doing peptides.

>> Yeah. Donald Cerrone. Oh, there you go.

He got me uh dialed in with the folks at

Transcend,

>> right? He works with those guys,

>> right? And uh

>> that's how he got super jacked after he

retired,

>> right? I just travel so much, right?

>> That like all of these things that need

to be refrigerated. You're traveling

with the ice pack. And it was like,

>> I get it.

>> It's just like kind of too much. And I

just

>> You know what a simple solution though

is?

>> What's that?

>> Just get yourself like uh one of them

little Yeti thermoses. Put some ice in

there and put your peptides in there.

Throw in your bag.

>> Simple.

>> That's it.

>> Okay.

>> It keeps it cold, seals up. I was doing

testosterone, too.

>> You stopped.

>> I did.

>> Why'd you stop?

>> I just uh like kept forgetting. I was

like, "Oh,

and I didn't I mean I I don't want to

say I didn't notice anything because

there were different things going on in

my life that I could have attributed.

See, but like having stopped taking it,

I don't notice really any difference.

>> And

>> did you get your blood work done before

you took it?

>> Well, I did. I got my blood work done by

the folks at Transcend,

>> right?

>> And you know, they prescribed it to me.

>> What did they say your levels were?

>> I think uh my testosterone was like 300.

>> Oh, that's pretty low. Yeah,

>> it's on.

>> There's other stuff you could take

though. There's uh stuff called well you

not even taking peptides but there's

other stuff you could take that could

ramp up your natural testosterone

>> right I've been doing more like strength

training too and I know that that

>> yeah that does it yeah there's a bunch

of different things like deadlifts and

squats they ramp up your testosterone

especially zer squats

>> I could I could certainly get back into

all that because I you know I love the

idea of like being super healthy

longevity

>> it's good for you feel better feel

better think better

>> yeah and And uh my baseline's pretty

good, too. Like I've got my Whoop band

and uh you know,

>> seeing you with a Whoop is kind of

hilarious. A little concerned about my

health.

>> I love it.

>> Contrary to all my actions for the past

40 plus years,

>> right? I mean, I love it so much. And uh

>> it's great, right? You get so much data.

Find out if you're sleeping well.

>> Well, what's your HRV like?

>> I don't know, man. I I haven't worn one

in a while.

>> Right. Because uh like today I'm 113

HRV.

>> Uh I don't know if that's good. Is that

good?

>> It's super good.

>> Oh yeah. Congratulations.

>> Yeah. And like my average is like 90. I

don't know. Like

>> that's great, man. So you're working

out, feeling good.

>> Yeah. Taking care of myself.

>> Avoid those blows to the head, son.

>> Yeah, for sure.

>> Especially as you get older. There it

seems like a lot of people when they get

older, they're really hard to recover

from,

>> right? Yeah. The the last Jackass movie

we did, the the fourth one, Jackass

Forever,

>> they had this huge treadmill.

>> It's like treadmill for horses.

And they got us they got it just humming

and uh all of us a bunch of us the the

cast dressed up in marching band like

with marching band and like we're

marching playing our instruments and one

by one we jump on this treadmill

>> right

>> and uh it was hilarious but dude I got

knocked out so cold

I wonder if you could bring that up

Jamie like I like I was out out for like

a you know probably maybe The longest

I've ever

>> How did you get knocked out? What

happened?

>> I hit my head. You

>> just fell.

>> Yeah, like uh as I got spit off the end

of this treadmill.

>> Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah, you just kind of

jumped on it.

>> So it looks like Knoxville went first.

>> Oh my god. Oh my god, dude.

>> So I'm like everyone is awake and I am

like super not awake at all. Oh,

Knoxville's bleeding from the head.

>> Yeah,

>> you guys are so ridiculous. What a silly

way to make a living.

>> Yeah, don't do that anymore.

>> Yeah, that

>> Oh, boy.

>> Yeah, that was that that might have been

my worst concussion. But but there's

there's there's been like more than that

even, you know, not 16, but

>> the one that hurt me the most was Johnny

Knoxville when he was uh in that store

and Butterbean beat him up.

>> Yeah. Oh my god,

>> that was crazy.

>> That one bothered me cuz if you know how

hard Butterbean hits, that's just a

silly thing to sign up for. Let that guy

beat the out of you. And then even

after he's down, Butterbean had him get

back up and put him away.

>> Like, don't let him do that,

>> right?

>> Especially Butterbean, man. That guy,

there's a highlight reel of him putting

giant men to sleep, you know? You do not

want that guy punched you in the chin.

>> Talk about sweethearts, too, man. What?

And butter bean.

>> Yeah. Up until that moment,

>> right?

>> This is the thing with those guys

though. They're so accustomed to hurting

people.

>> Yeah.

>> It's like, you want to sign up for this?

You sure? I'm sure. Okay.

>> Right.

>> And they're just going to do to you what

they've done to a bunch of other people

that decided to box him.

>> Yeah, man. Looking at that, Trevor, that

really was gnarly.

>> Gnarly. Not good. I mean, you were

flying through the air and landed on

your head. Not good, dude.

>> Not good.

>> Yeah, that uh

>> that's probably why you forget to take

your peptides.

>> That's They read a story about Jim

McMahon, the football player. And uh

that's his name, right? The guy from the

Chicago Bears.

>> Yeah, Jim McMahon was the quarterback,

right?

>> Yeah, the quarterback. And um it I think

it was a Sports Illustrated article and

they were they were talking about like

he can't remember anything. He'll be

standing in the middle of his living

room not knowing why he's there, where

he was going. Doesn't know where his

keys are. Doesn't know where his phone

just like can't. It's just like G like

it just blacks out, comes back. Blacks

out, comes back.

>> Yeah. You'd imagine that that would be

more for like linemen because every

single play

>> those days though, the quarterbacks got

taken out back in those days. That's the

80s. You got to think of how much harder

the game was back. I'm not obviously not

a football afficionado or expert by any

means, but from what I've been told, the

rules are much more favorable today to

protect the quarterback.

>> Right. Okay.

>> And back then, those dudes got hit.

>> And it's not just that, man. It's also

all the different years you played,

those all count. Like, just because

you're only getting knocked out a couple

of times as a professional in the NFL,

what about all the times you got knocked

out in high school? What about all the

times you got knocked out in college?

those guys, man. I have a massive amount

of respect for football players. I mean,

I've watched a lot of high school games

in Texas and I watched a lot of college

games at UT. It is a brutal

sport. I mean, it's no wonder that's the

American pastime because it it is a

psychotic sport.

>> I I love it.

>> It's fun to watch, man. I've become a

fan.

>> Um I what what really I think was the

smartest thing the NFL did, they got

into the the

routine with their you the NFL YouTube

channel. At the conclusion of every

game, they upload a video to YouTube

which is a condensed version of the game

that runs anywhere from like 10 to you

know like 10 to 15 minutes. So like you

can watch super digestible more than

highlights like more than Sports Center

but like you know you're only seeing the

awesome stuff.

>> Man was involved in Nixis is one of the

dirtiest plays in NFL history. Oh,

>> he just got slammed after the play.

>> After the play, slammed on his head.

>> Yeah,

>> that's crazy.

>> Just took this end of the season, this

play. I don't know which game of the

year it was, but

>> Oh my god.

>> Yeah, that's that cool, man.

>> Yeah,

>> look at him. Oh my god, that's crazy

that that dude did that. And what did he

get like a oneame penalty or something?

>> Oh, back then.

>> Yeah, back then it was probably pretty

low.

>> Back then they probably gave him extra

steroids. Good job. But I hope this

reaches the NFL when I say this is that

as much as and by the by the end of the

season, whatever it was, 2023, 2024,

like I was so invested because I was

watching these digestible like uh

YouTube videos that by the time the

playoffs rolled around, I was subscribed

to every single different platform

because now like the stakes are so high,

I got to watch the whole game. Like they

really converted me.

>> Oh, that's great.

>> Yeah, it was the smartest thing.

>> That's wise. I mean, because you think

about there's a lot of downtime in

football in between plays, a lot of

this, a lot of that, people talk.

>> The best thing, but I but I have a a

really really important thing that I

want the NFL to know is that they were

the thumbnails a lot of the times gave

away the outcome of the game.

>> So, and and this was the problem that

that the UFC had for a while. like um

you know I would be doing my shows you

know especially if I'm in a comedy club

you know I've got the second show on

Saturday night so I've missed the whole

pay-per-view event now I get back to my

hotel room and I'm going to watch

everything the whole thing but then when

I go into the video on demand and the

thumbnail shows like the the the winner

of the main event like celebrating right

>> you know like it's like oh so I reached

out to Dana I'm like Dana the thumbnails

are giving away and he's like took care

of it man just got the phone with the

head of Disney, the president of the

>> That's nice to have that kind of poll,

>> right? And uh I wish I could do that for

the NFL. They don't always

>> Maybe they will. Maybe they will now.

>> Yeah, they don't always give away the

game, but for the love of God, please

make the thumbnail neutral. So that

because of the reason why we're clicking

on this video is because we want we

don't want to know what happened. We

want to watch it and enjoy it.

>> Right. And so how long are these

condensed games?

>> Anywhere from like 8 to 16 minutes.

>> Wow, that's smart. And it's so exciting

because if you see um a like a punt or a

kickoff, you know something awesome is

going to happen because they'll never

include a punt or a kickoff unless it

gets run all the way down for a

touchdown or if there's a turnover or

something like

>> so it's like ooh there's you know like

you get excited when you watch these

videos if there's a punt.

>> Right. That makes sense.

>> Yeah. UFC does a good job with uh they

they do these videos that shows like all

the knockouts from a particular event.

>> So, anybody who just wants to see

knockouts.

>> Yep. I've been seeing that. And

>> um you know, I I've been in situations

already since the Paramount deal where

uh I got to go back and watch the whole

card and and Paramount like

>> it's it's pretty awesome, man. Like on

ESPN,

>> it's not very intuitive. I gotta say

it's a little clunky when you're

searching for the show because you go to

like live TV to watch it and then if

it's not on live TV anymore, like if you

go out and you pause it and you come

back and try to and you click on it, it

doesn't work. And then you got to find

it and then you got to go to home and

then you got to go down to the UFC and

then search out each individual and then

it brings you up a grid of all the stuff

that's on TV right now. And then if you

click on that, it's not playing anymore.

So it tells you it's not

home. So like where the is it? Like

just have a little UFC thing where I

could click at the homepage and it shows

all the matches, what's live, what's

not. Just a little clunky. I think ESPN

Plus kind of had it down. And I'm uh I'm

just

>> You know what the problem with ESPN Plus

was though? What

>> is that, you know, you scroll through to

get to the main card, they would have

each fight individually up there and you

got to like blur your eyes because on

the thumbnail it says the duration of

the fight,

>> right?

>> You know, you got a little timestamp and

it's like, "Oh, damn it. I'm like I just

saw the the

>> you got to not look at that."

>> Yeah.

>> You got to unblur your eyes, look

through the crack.

>> The problem is when you play it that'll

show you how short the amount of time

is. You know, how quickly the time is

going. You're like, "Oh, great."

>> Right. Yeah. Well, you can't like you

can't ever skip anything because then

the time bar will come up.

>> Do you watch anything else other than uh

UFC?

>> Uh

sportsswise or

>> No, for fighting wise.

>> Oh

man, I no

>> no.

>> I've been trying to get Dana White to do

a striking league. I'm trying because

like you know people still boo and

complain when things go to the ground

and if the UFC has time to do like slap

fight which I'm not really into but if

they have time to do that like do a

standup only league cuz there's other

organizations that are doing that. You

know what? Like the uh the Mike Tyson

Jake Paul thing. I understand that they

had

a hundred million viewers.

>> Is that real?

>> I think I think they did. And then the

Jake Paul Anthony Joshua had like maybe

30 million,

>> you know? So, it was nowhere near

>> But God, I thought that I thought that

>> Where'd you get those numbers?

>> Just what whatever. I just saw it on the

>> cuz I don't know if Netflix gives those

numbers out or maybe they did. Did they

say it?

>> Um 108 million. Paul Tyson had 108

million

>> and then Anthony Joshua I think it was

like 30.

>> Interesting. 108 million is crazy. A lot

of people.

>> It's a lot of people. But what a blown

opportunity when you think like okay now

Netflix had they knew they were going to

have that many viewers or if not that

many they knew they were going to have a

lot right? they had the opportunity to

take the the boxing model and fix it and

you know and and I don't know like

>> that Netflix did.

>> Yeah. I mean

>> Netflix has only had a small handful of

events though.

>> Understood. But if you look at the UFC

broadcast just how like there's just not

downtime, you know? It's like people

care about the the undercard. I mean,

you know me like I'm there.

>> Yeah.

>> I'm there like for the first fight past

prelim. Uh some of the undercards are

the best fights

>> for sure. That's why the contender

series is so good.

>> Particularly Yeah. Right. Exactly.

Especially when you see some of these

guys coming out of the Contender Series

that are so high level already,

>> right?

>> There's guys that are getting matched up

in the undercard that no one's ever

heard of that are two undefeated

fighters that could be world champions.

>> For sure.

>> There's guys that are that good now,

>> right? And that's what's so great about

about the UFC is that the whole card's

good. The production's insane. There's

no downtime. It's just like you can sit

there for six hours, you know,

like and be be thoroughly happy that

you're watching the whole time, but with

boxing, there's so much time in between

the bouts. Yes.

>> Like,

>> yeah, they don't do as nearly as good a

job. UFC without doubt is the best

promotion in all of combat sports in

terms of entertainment, production

value, the people in the truck, the the

experts,

>> like they're the best. That that's what

I'm saying about Netflix is that

>> they they they

>> they could have fixed it.

>> They could have fixed it.

>> Well, Zuf is trying to do that now,

right? You know, Zu is trying to do

that. They're basically using the

promotion machine behind the UFC to

start promoting boxing and they're just

getting rolling right now, but they

signed some really big guys. They signed

Connor Ben. They signed Jai Apata, who's

a beast. They signed some legit

boxers. So, it should be interesting.

>> Yeah. Boxing is uh it is a fascinating

sport.

>> It's a mess. I mean, as far as the

broadcast goes.

>> Well, um I think there's a few um

companies that know how to do it, right?

And HBO was the best. And when HBO went

off the air with boxing, uh it was a

real bummer because HBO boxing had been

around for decades. They were the peak.

That was like the best production team.

It was Jim Lampley, Larry Hazard or

Larry Merchant rather, um Roy Jones Jr.

sometimes, George Foreman sometimes, and

different fighters would sit in

sometimes and it was the Jim Lampley is

the best. It was the best. It

was like the smoothest production. They

were the best with the cameras and the

production quality and they'd get you

hyped up about the fight with the little

pre-made videos. They didn't drag it out

that that they knew how to do it. HBO

did it right. They did it right. But I

guess it was like either it was not

profitable or something. They just

decided to when they canned HBO boxing,

I couldn't believe it. I was like, after

all these years, it's such a crazy thing

to do. They were the best.

>> If you had an HBO boxing card and it was

a big fight, I was pumped. It was

like the the quality of the product was

so high level. And they only put on

really great fights. Like if it got to

HBO, that was going to be a great

>> right. Well, comedy specials were the

same way, right?

>> Sure. Yeah. Um now, you know, now it's

weird because it's like the landscape is

so filled with different platforms and

some guys take money over visibility.

Like there's young guys that have gotten

offers for places and I was like,

"Listen, man. I think you should put on

YouTube." for sure.

>> You're not going to make any money, but

you got to think about that money

investing in yourself because I think

you're really good. And I think that

this material, if you put it on YouTube,

it's going to go viral. It'll spread

around. Way more people will know about.

>> I I sorely regret my approach cuz cuz my

my comedy specials are multimedia and

like I got stuff in there. I mean, the

whole point of of my comedy with the

multimedia is to have stuff that you

can't even show on jackass, you know,

like just like super extra naughty

jackass movie collides with the standup

show,

>> right?

>> And uh and I love that. I have so much

fun with that.

>> And um when I put out my last one, um I

I did u this thing that Andrew Schultz

did, the moment, you know, like it's a

payw wall.

>> Oh, yeah. company moment and I and and

that was me trying to make money off

this special. I mean, I spent so much

making it, you know, but whatever. I

wish that I would have had no payw wall

whatsoever. Just, you know, I can't put

it on YouTube, but put it on my website

so that I could get the eyeballs because

I think in the long run that would

benefit way more.

>> Why can't you put on YouTube? Because

the content

>> because then like nudity, violence, like

uh like literally

>> that's going to be hard to distribute

anywhere. Well,

>> even on a website, even on your website,

that's just hard. That's just hard to

get out.

>> Now, I have my multimedia specials on my

website with no payw wall. Totally free.

Like, no ads. Yeah.

>> Just go to steo.com and check.

>> Well, Andrew did it very smart. Like, if

you want to see it now, pay and then I'm

going to put it on YouTube and x amount

of months.

>> A lot of people got mad about that.

>> People get mad about everything.

>> Understood.

>> You got to always remember that, man.

People get mad about everything,

>> right? you can't concentrate on that.

>> I think that uh maybe they're a little

bit more of a of a window because for

the people who are like, "Man, I just

spent, you know,

>> well, tell them what the window is,

>> right?

>> Just if you you want to do it that way,

just tell them I'm going to put it on

YouTube in three months,

>> right?" Understood.

>> But it's it it all is like how

successful are you, right? So, if you're

a successful comedian, you do that, then

your fans like, "Hey, why do you need

more money out of me?

>> Why can't you just release it?" But if

you're a successful comedian that's been

kind of banished like Louis Cave was for

a while and then Louis CK has done a

brilliant job of putting everything on

his website like Harold and Pete his

animated show, Lucky Louie, all the

different Louis the episodes.

>> So what he did was really create his own

thing that is like a one-stop shop of

all things Louis CK% and it's really

good.

>> And his mailing list. Yeah,

>> I'm on his mailing list.

>> Me, too.

>> And and whenever I see an email from

Louis CK, I absolutely click on because

he does it so masterfully.

>> Yeah. It's interesting and funny and

it's entertaining. It's an entertaining

little thing that you get and then he

lets you know what he's doing and he's

never pressuring you into

>> he's he's got the perfect balance, I

think, of like capitalism and still

being an artist. Y, you know,

>> it's the way to do it. But, you know,

everybody's at their own little path.

Then the problem with someone like

Andrew is he's already like really

successful. So it's like asking for

money for a special at this point people

are like come on man

>> just put it on YouTube. You know

>> my my next one I'm absolutely determined

to have no payw wall.

>> Stanho boy said it best. He said

basically your special is just an ad to

get people to come see.

>> Bill said that.

>> Yeah that's that's really what it is,

>> right?

>> And you know it's also like you got to

retire material. Yeah,

>> you know, just let it go.

>> Sail out to sea and light it on fire.

>> It's so hard for me.

>> Of course it is.

>> Of course it is. It's hard for

everybody.

>> Yeah,

>> it's hard for everybody, but it's

probably even harder for you because a

lot of your stuff is physical. So, you

have to like come up with new things

that you could do to yourself. Staple

your lip shut and

>> tie your dick to your

>> I I'm I'm so I'm so happy with with what

I've got now.

>> That's good.

>> Yeah. I'm I'm thrilled with it. Okay.

So, so

>> I was I was telling you like uh I spent

the this uh you know a couple years like

really fe like

>> in the darkness

>> in the kind of in the darkness. Yeah.

And and um beingings

>> being being very mindful to adjust my

approach in a way that I felt really

good about. There was um

>> the beginning of 2025 and I got like

really heavy on like you know

spirituality and faith. I like I'm that

way anyway. Like I really I really

really care about that. Um be January of

2025 I get on uh I I I get this

opportunity to have Mark Wahlberg on my

podcast, right? Like um and I'm on there

and he he's very like big into his very

Catholic. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Very very big into his

Christianity and uh and I and I was in

the thick of it too at that point. I was

like, man, you know, like I like I've

been criticism for for being a too much

of a shill and this and that and like

>> it really bothered you that much.

>> It kind of did. Yeah, because I think

because I was uh

>> Well, because it was accurate.

>> It was accurate. It absolutely like for

example, last time I was here, I'm like,

Joe, my my butt wipes for my butthole.

And you're like, that's bad for the

plumbing.

>> It is bad for the plumbing,

>> right? And

>> you can't flush those things,

>> dude. I like

what what I wish I said in that moment

when when uh when you'd said that how

it's bad for plumbing. I'd seen on um a

package of dude wipes. It said only

flush one at a time and you'll be okay.

>> Uh-uh.

>> I mean that's true. Now they've got I

stopped selling those.

>> Don't flush anything other than toilet

paper. Period.

>> Talk to any plumber.

>> Okay,

>> I'll tell you. Don't flush anything

other than toilet paper. Dude, like the

the the internet had a field day when

when you shut down my my butt wipes plug

on on here.

>> I didn't even know about it. Isn't that

funny?

>> I love that. I I love that. And um

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>> And and they had a field day because

like me with the shilling and and you

with the the point about the plumbing

and it was just like

>> and and like I just I stopped

selling those things. I stopped

selling everything.

>> We used to have a sponsor. It's not our

sponsor anymore, but I want to tell

people to get it anyway. It's a thing

called Tushy. You put it on your

>> Oh my god. my fude. Every single time I

promote Tushi on my podcast, I say it is

my favorite podcast sponsor that I've

ever had. And I know

>> I know that that's not a a wise thing to

say. Like if you're if you think of all

the other sponsors, I don't care. I

don't care.

>> Well, it's not even our sponsor anymore,

but uh but I tell everybody it's not

expensive and it's legit and it cleans

your butthole and then you just need a

little wipe to pat it down and you're

just drying it off. Also, you feel

better. Like, you don't feel like you

smeared all over your butt. Like, I

don't know if you have a hairy

but I do. I'm hairy everywhere. It's

chaos down there if I don't trim it. Uh,

so it's like you're getting you're

wiping on the ass hairs and like

>> Sure.

>> And and that's, you know, that's what

like as soon as I started using the

tushy,

>> then I'm like, "Oh my god, now if I ever

find myself having to take a and

there's not a a bedet right

>> now. It's a crisis for me.

>> I know. Now you're like, "Ew,

>> now I've got a problem." And that's why

having uh the wet wipes, the the butt

wipes

>> like became so important because if I

don't have the bedet like

>> I get it, but if you had smeared

all over your fingernails and your hand,

would you be happy just using a butt

wipe and then having a sandwich? No, you

would not. You would want to wash your

hands, right?

>> Well,

>> butt wipes are okay. It's okay. And so

it's better than not having them, but

you have to throw them in the garbage.

So then you have a smeared wet wipe

in the garbage, which is kind of

nasty. And you walk in there, you can

smell the and no one's cleaned it

yet. And so then you have to have a

plastic bag liner on your garbage can

cuz otherwise

>> solution.

>> Yeah, those tushy things. I have one. We

have them here at all the not it's not a

tushy, but it's another company on all

our toilets. We have at the mothership.

>> Oh my god. It's

>> the best. You have to have those things.

That's it. changes your life.

>> And dude, that and and when you get the

the Tushy Ace, which has the heated

seat.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> The warm water.

>> Warm water is the key.

>> And then it blow dries your butthole.

>> Nice.

>> Nice.

>> It's ready for presentation.

>> Okay. So, I sit down with Mark Wahberg

and I, you know, and I'm talking about

this and uh I say, you know, how like,

you know, leaning into faith like really

just like

so important, you know, like like so

important to me. And I had this

meaningful conversation, right,

>> with with Mark Wahberg about that. And

then

with the day the episode comes out, it

didn't even occur to me until the day

the episode came out. I was hiking with

my dog through a state park in

Tennessee. And it strikes me, oh my god,

I had the audacity

as I knew that the episode went out that

day, I I had the audacity to cut from

this thoughtful conversation about faith

with Mark Wahlberg to an ad for

gambling.

I was like, "Oh my god." I was like, "I

don't have to be in the comment section

to know to see people saying what a

hypocrite." Like, oh my god. Like,

>> wait a minute. How does gambling make

you a hypocrite?

>> I mean, I just

>> I don't think that makes you a hypocrite

at all. I mean,

>> I don't listen, the the gambling thing

online, we should probably address this,

is a very hot topic, and a lot of people

criticize people for promoting gambling

sites online.

>> The problem is not gambling. The problem

is people who are addicted to gambling.

So, the problem is self-control, right?

And I'm not saying I'm a person who's

immune to being addicted to gambling. I

am sure that given other circumstances

in my life, given

>> I I could have easily gotten addicted to

gambling, but I'm not. And I don't mind

gambling on stuff. I think sometimes

it's probably fun. The problem is people

you saw um Uncut Gems, right?

>> Oh my god. Best movie is gambling. That

is the problem with gambling.

So good.

amazing movie. Adam Sandler

killed it in that movie. It's such a

good movie.

>> Never felt so good.

>> The whole movie I'm going like, "Oh,

don't give God. What the

are you doing, man? Don't do that."

>> Right.

>> Oh, Jesus, Adam.

>> I You know what, though? Like, I I I

made a decision on that day hiking with

my dog. I said, I'm I'm not going to

promote anything unless it's good for

people.

>> Wow. Good for you.

>> I said I said like I I I don't want to

do harm, man. I don't

>> I don't think it does harm. I think it

does harm if you let it do harm, but I

think food does harm if you let it do

harm. I think alcohol does harm if you

let it do harm. I think marijuana,

drugs, all kinds of things do harm if

you let them do harm,

>> right? But it's just it's in your face

every, you know, and I don't want to

participate in that, you know, and and I

I just haven't done it since then. I

feel good about that, you know. So, all

these different things that I've done

>> to to be mindful to be to feel more good

about like how I approach my life and my

career. And then and then coming into

this year 2026, I was like, "Oh man,

like now with the Mr. Beast coming out,

I'm like, "Oh, this is going to change

my life. We got a new Jackass movie

coming out." Like I feel really good

about how I've restored my uh my

integrity. Like I feel good about myself

for myself. And then Joe, oh my god,

then I have Harland Williams on my

podcast. Okay, this guy is the most

genius. Like the like that it's just so

like you can't even understand the guy.

Like

>> he's one of the weirdest funny guys of

all time. This this snake is on this

desk because he kept it in his pants the

entire episode telling us that he had a

tapeworm and then he pulled it out at

the end of the episode and I've left it

on the desk ever since. And when Trump

was in here, I left it on the desk and

he got so excited. He goes, "Hey buddy,

thanks for keeping what did he call it?

>> Demetria.

Thanks for keeping Dimmitri on the desk

while Trump was in there. Like he's just

such an oddball.

>> He's so magnificent.

>> Such a great guy, too.

>> Yeah. And and I record my podcast in an

RV, right? I got like three different

RVs that I I use for it and and one I

keep in Los Angeles. So, we get to Haron

Williams house. For some reason, I'm

driving and I'm the worst driver

ever. and he's got this small driveway

and I'm trying to maneuver it around and

I get out of the van and and I'm like I

don't know how I I don't know how I can

be such a bad driver. And just

like that, Har Har Har Har Har Har Har

Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har

Har Har Har Haron Williams says to me,

he goes, "It's AIDS, Steo. You have

AIDS."

Just like the most absurd thing.

And so like going into this podcast, I'm

like, "All right, like now we're

entering the realm of the absurd, you

know? Like let's play with Harlon

Williams." Okay.

>> Okay. At at some point in the episode,

>> the the most

dumb idea that ever popped in my head,

but I'm, you know, you want to be like a

step ahead and like figure out how like

we're going to keep this going. Like

what am I, you know, whe like what's

where we going to next, right? So I say

to Harlem Williams, I'm like I think at

one point I said like I said, how about

politics? you know, like just thinking

to myself, this absurd guy, if you ask

him about politics, like like how does

his absurdity like navigate that? And

that's what motivated me. So then

somewhere in in this back and forth,

like effectively I say like, "Oh yeah,

well all this with ICE makes

perfect sense because like because the

majority of immigrants are murderers,

right? This is the most patently

absurd comment that I've ever made on

the podcast. And yet after it comes out,

it gets clipped on its own and that it

genuinely looks like I'm not kidding.

Even though you cut to Haron Williams,

but it genuinely looks like I wasn't

kidding.

>> And then I open up my phone and it's

like

>> basically rotten hell. use that like you

know like you think like all immigrants

are murderers like Joe I could not be

more the opposite of that

>> you know like

>> you were you were being sarcastic

>> I was I I could not have been more like

I could not have been less serious. It

was the most absurd deliberately

sarcastic thing I'd ever said. And uh

and dude, I just like now now and and I

was in this place. I was so excited like

and I was so excited about doing my

podcast. It was going, you know, and

then now I'm just like delused with this

tsunami of hate. And that's what's so

you know, did

>> did you respond?

>> I did.

>> Yeah. Just say this is just

around.

>> I posted on my Instagram.

>> Okay. like uh like for for clarification

I said I can't even I said I was so

shocked to believe that this absurd

comment that I made was like taken

seriously but like just you know I can't

believe I'm going to have to do this but

for the for the record you know less

than.1%

of the population is ever going to

commit murder. Of course the majority of

no group of people is going to

commit murder. But if if you want to

know how I actually feel, if there's a

group of people that's more likely to

murder someone, it's ICE agents, you

know, like. And so then as soon as I

post that now, like the whole other half

of the world

>> hates me. Yeah.

Yeah. I wouldn't have said that either,

>> right? There you go. You know, like and

uh my my sister is um my my voice of

reason. She like I was like, "Hey, what

do you think about this?" and she like

made like one small tweak. She's like,

"Go for it. I just posted that." I don't

even mind, you know, like uh I don't

even mind that. I I feel like if people

are going to hate me, let them hate me

for like how I actually feel, you know,

like

>> right.

>> And is that your watch? How dare you?

>> Yes, it's my my dad. I put my on

don't do not disturb.

>> Maybe your dad goes through cuz he's

like one of your

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's on my he's on my

speed dial. But yeah, so it was just a

terrible episode that I just

went through and we set this up like a

couple months ago. Like this happened

like maybe three four weeks ago.

>> So I was like when I like you know when

I was texting with you I was like oh man

I was in a you know like shitty place.

I'm feeling really rad dude. Like be

it'd be great to get together. And then

now since then I'm like in a shitty

place.

>> Yeah. Well, you know, obviously that ice

subject is a very hot subject.

>> People have gotten mad at me for my

takes on it as well. You just you have

to, you know, speak your mind. Say what

you really feel.

>> If I'm honest, I regret all of it. You

know, like, you know, I could have uh I

could have worded my clarification in a

way that made a lot more sense. I just

it bothered me so much to be so badly

misunderstood.

>> Yeah. You know,

>> well, when you talk sarcastically with a

guy like Harlon Williams, when you

around and you say things you don't

really mean,

>> it's going to happen. Like Duncan is the

best at that. Like Duncan Trussell, like

he will have entire podcast where he

pretends he's in the Illuminati and

he'll talk to another comic who pretends

he's one of the Rothschilds.

>> Our friend Tony gets Tony Casillas gets

on his podcast and what does Tony

pretend? A Rockefeller or a Rothschild?

>> One of them. Yeah.

>> So, he I think it's a Rockefeller.

>> I might be wrong, but I mean he uh he

dyes his hair for the episode and

everything and like it's it's so

ridiculous and and people think he

really is one of those people.

Meanwhile, he's a doorman at the

mothership.

>> Um but Duncan will go through an entire

podcast without breaking character and

they'll talk about how important is to

control the population. They'll talk

about how important it is to, you know,

spread misinformation and keep people in

the dark and how stupid the plebs are.

>> Yeah. I just kind like I'm too

sensitive, man. You know, like

>> Yeah. Well, it seems like it's not just

that you're sensitive. It seems like

you're seeking out input. You're you're

seeking you're seeking out feedback. And

I just I think you're a little too

famous for that. I just don't think it's

healthy. Yeah,

>> I've known so many people that are loved

loved by so many and yet they'll still

find the people that hate them and dwell

on that.

>> And uh I I've seen it with like very

successful people. It's just

>> you it's just Lou said it best. Louis C

said it best. He said the internet is

just talk. It's just your it's written

down so it seems more real,

>> you know, because it stays up there

forever. But it's just talk just like

people talk at a bar. that guy. You

know, people say things and they're not

necessarily rational. They're not

necessarily their opinions aren't

necessarily valuable. Some of them are

and some of them aren't. But to go

through all that and figure it out, the

problem is your brain only recognizes

threats, danger, and people that hate

you, right? So, you get a hundred people

that love you, but one person who says

you suck, and you'll just think

about that guy like, "Oh, no. That guy,

he used to be a fan." Like,

>> right? I unfollowed him a long time ago.

Like,

>> right. Yeah, that makes sense. And you

know, another thing that that to that

point

>> here, I thought that um when this Mr.

Beasta video came out and I I won a

million dollars, I gave it to Doctors

Without Borders. Like, I just thought,

"Oh man, this is going to be

lifealtering." And like it came in, you

know, like I had one kid come up to me

in an airport and say, "Dude, you're

Steo from Mr. Beast." And I was like,

"Oh, wow.

But other than that, like my like I

thought it would be lifealtering and it

really wasn't, you know.

>> Yeah.

>> And then so now like in this this little

like this whatever you want to call it,

backlash, this like thing like I to me

it feels like the the whole world hates

me, you know, like when in reality it's

probably not.

>> No, reality everybody feels about you

the exact same way they did before.

>> It's crazy, man. It's crazy because like

I'm like I'll walk around and think like

man like people are looking at me maybe

they hate me.

>> I was I was talking to a friend of mine

who was one of the earlier ones to get

cancelled. This was quite a few years

ago. This was like more than 10 years

ago. Something happened online and

someone said something about something

that he said that was patently false but

a lot of people believed it. And he

would, you know, he made a his own

statement and but then he said,

"Everywhere I go," he goes, "I know this

was small and it was only in the comedy

community, but everywhere I went, I felt

like these people hated me. They knew

who they were and they were judging me.

So it was like it was tainting my

feelings everywhere I went."

>> Right?

>> Now, imagine being Monica Lewinsky.

>> Oh my god. I know.

>> Okay. So, no internet, right? Right.

>> So, this is like there's no way to tell

whether people are siding with you or

not. And everybody knows you suck the

president's dick and you're 20 and you

you have to go to the store. You have to

date guys.

>> And if if you don't blow a guy, he's

like, "What the fuck?"

>> You're like famous for it,

>> right? Yeah.

>> I I I

>> Every time she's probably giving head,

she's thinking, "Oh my god, why am I

doing this?

>> I I got this is what got me in all this

trouble in the first place."

>> You know, like imagine that kind of

weirdness.

>> Do you remember she did an HBO thing?

She did an HBO thing way way back in the

day where she sat down to talk about

what this experience has been like for

her. And it was weird because there was

a guy in the audience that like she was

like taking questions I guess and a guy

in the audience was like why are you

doing this? Like you say you don't want

attention but here you are just getting

more attention talking about it and like

you could tell like she didn't really

think that through like that someone was

going to have that kind of a response

and it was like that was kind of like at

the end of the thing. I think that like,

you know, when you're in that kind of a

situation, you want to on some level

clarify,

>> right?

>> Like, you know, you want

>> you want to say your side of it,

>> right?

>> But your side of it ultimately for most

people is going to be trying to make

yourself look better,

>> right? And I think that's a problem.

>> Yeah,

>> that's a problem that because that's

very transparent and people kind of know

what you're doing. I think it's always

better like what you just did where you

said like maybe I did overreact or maybe

I shouldn't have done this or maybe I

that's a stupid thing to say. Like be

much more real about how you feel about

things.

>> Oh, I blew it, Joe.

>> Yeah. No, but I mean that's but it

doesn't matter, man. I'm telling you

this is all in your head. Everybody

still loves you.

>> All right. Well,

>> you're the same guy. The people who love

you will always love you. The people who

hate you. It's like it's very rare that

someone who really loves you hates you.

Like if they do, they're usually

mentally ill and they want to like I

remember when I was a kid.

>> People would get mad if bands became

famous and they'd be like, "Fuck those

guys. They're sellouts." And I remember

we were in high school. I go, "Let me

get this trait."

>> This is me at like 16. I go, "You love

them. You think they're awesome, right?"

Yeah. I go, "But when more people know

they're awesome, then they're not

awesome anymore because now they're

mainstream." He goes, "Yeah." I go, "Do

you know how dumb that sounds?

Either they are awesome or they are not.

If they are awesome, more people should

know they are awesome. And we're all

just sitting around and a couple of my

friends go, "Yeah, like yeah." Yeah.

This idea of like being underground is

Like why would you

want that? If you're great, people are

going to find out about you,

>> right?

>> It doesn't mean you sold out. It just

means other people found out you were

great. Like you recognize something and

you think you're unique in your talent

to recognize really good music and only

you can appreciate it. And if other

people appreciate it, then all of a

sudden it's not good. That is the

dumbest way to think I've ever

encountered in my life.

>> I mean, it to be fair, I think that the

criticism at that point is when

>> they change

>> when they're when they're trying to Yes.

to to reach a more broad audience.

>> But there's a lot of bands like for

instance that are not doing that and

they just they just hit. Like

people are mad at Nirvana for getting

big, right?

>> Like Okay.

>> Right. I I couldn't agree with Dmore.

I'm just being a devil's advocate. Well,

I get it. I mean, but it's my point is

it's a human inclination where you feel

like you're part of a small select group

that really values and appreciates

something and all these normies, these

listening to Debbie

Gibson or whatever they're listening to.

You don't want those listening

to super cool music. But if it's like

Nirvana, guess what? It's so good that

everyone is going to want to listen to

that and then it becomes big. You're

like, "Fuck those guys. They

sold out." Like,

>> right?

>> It's just a dumb. You're just mad at

yourself. You're mad at your life.

You're mad at your position in this

universe.

>> Well, I think that life is just getting

really difficult, too.

>> Well, this is now true, but we're

talking about people were doing this

back in ' 80s. They've always done this,

man.

>> This is just how people behave.

>> And you add that to the internet and it

just everything's accelerated

>> times 10, times 100, times a million,

whatever the it is now. And and

this is just the beginning, you know?

We're we're at the brink of something

really crazy. As soon as AI takes over

our society, which is like within years,

we're we're going to experience the most

radical change this civilization has

ever seen.

>> Like it's it's it's literally a perfect

storm. Um with just the unsustainable

debt,

>> well, that's part of it.

>> It's I mean, that's a big part of it.

Yeah, I mean that's part of it, but it's

like even if there was unsustainable

debt, you have an artificial life form

that's emerging that's infinitely

smarter than human beings.

>> What what I'm saying is that

>> and has autonomy

>> that the unsustainable debt

um like already over a trillion dollars

just paying for the interest alone, you

know, like there's the all the now like

you know other nations, central banks,

whatever like they like the they want to

ddollarize. they're not buying the

United States treasuries the way they

were. And that's like how the United

States has has been able to overspend is

because they can sell the treasuries.

Now, without people selling the

treasuries, the only like the only buyer

of the treasuries is the Fed and they're

buying the treasuries with printing

money.

>> Is that accurate?

>> I think it's pretty I think it's it's

>> other countries aren't buying our

treasuries.

>> Less so. It's it's becoming less. It's

uh of course there's still like the

United States treasuries is the most

liquid like you know but less so so

when it becomes more difficult for the

United States to sell its treasuries

they got to increase the yield which

means bigger interest payments so at a

certain point it's like just the paying

the interest on the debt is like a

crippling thing and by the Fed printing

money the way they're printing you can't

inflate the money supply without

devaluing the dollar.

>> So inflation more and more is going to

be a thing. Maybe not wear Germany or

like Zimbabwe inflation, but still

inflation is not going to go away. You

just can't have the money supply

increase without that being the case.

And so people's purchasing power goes

down. Their wages aren't going up. So

like people's people people are getting

more and more squeezed with how much

money they can afford to spend and then

on top of that AI comes and wipes out

all their jobs.

>> Yeah. Uh it's spooky. It's spooky

because uh no one really knows exactly

what's going to happen you know or how

it's going to happen or how people will

be um compensated in order to keep

society functional. You know, uh, Elon

has this, uh, utopian vision of

universal high income.

>> Yeah. UBI, universal basic income. Oh,

universal high income.

>> Yeah. No, his his utopian vision is that

so much money will be generated from AI

that you'll be able to give people

universal high income. So, they won't

have to work and so they'll be able to

do whatever they want to do with their

life. That's the ideal perspective. The

problem is obviously that people find a

lot of identity in their work.

>> Sure. I mean,

>> especially if you went to school for it,

you love it, this is the thing you've

done, you've been a lawyer your whole

life, you've been a doctor your whole

life, you've been a this your whole

life, and then all a sudden AI comes in

and wipes that out. Like, what are you

going to do? You going to play golf all

day, right?

>> And then you have a fixed income now

because even if it's universal high

income, there's no incentive for you to

work harder and get more things done and

make more money, which is what drives a

lot of people and drives a lot of

innovation. So then, is all innovation

left up to artificial intelligence? Is

that what we're really going to do? Cuz

that seems kind of crazy.

>> It's so crazy. I got to wonder like

>> our power.

>> What keeps you going? I mean like like

you uh you're in here doing these

podcasts all the time with the UFC with

like you know like you don't have to be

doing this.

>> Everything I do is fun.

>> I do everything I do for free and I do

all the time. I do stand up for free all

the time. I do guest bots all the time.

Everybody does. Every comic does.

>> Oh my god. Did I have so much

fun at Kill Tony last night?

>> Oh, it's the best show. It's the best

show on earth. so

unbelievably talented. Like when

>> he's the best host of any live comedy

show rather of all time.

>> There's no way

>> he's so good at it.

>> Like like the like the the amount of

time when something is presented that he

nails the funniest possible thing that

you could react.

>> Yeah. Like it's written

>> like you had a team of writers sitting

there for 100%

>> a week coming up with the best line and

it busts off the top of his head and

it's always mean.

He's the best.

>> Okay.

>> He's the best.

>> I I I I know that he's sensitive about

Oh, man. He He wouldn't have wanted me

to say I was on it last night.

>> Why?

>> Because before the show, he'd ask the

audience, "Don't give away the secret of

uh who's the guest."

>> It doesn't matter.

>> All right. Then then I'll say one thing

because it was so funny.

>> Don't say what happened because this

show's going to come out before that

happens, right?

>> Don't do that.

>> I'll tell you. It's just suffice it to

say that Tony Hinchcliffe has got to be

the fastest, wittiest comic I've

ever been.

>> Well, he's the best at that format.

Like, and he created it, right? So, it's

like a genius idea. Have comics do one

minute. Dude, comics have done one

minute. The first time they've ever been

on stage at Madison Square Garden in

front of 16,000 people and ate

dick,

>> right?

>> Uh it's a great show. And then he has,

you know, guys like David Tell, Shane

Gillis, you Harlon is like one

of the great greatest guests of all

time.

>> Darnell.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Darnell is amazing. He's got

I mean uh there's just so many there's

>> Right. And and like

>> Kyle Dunigan who does like five

different characters that are

incredible.

>> Yeah. Such highlevel comics.

>> Uhhuh. Adam Ray.

>> I mean maybe Well, right. But I'm saying

like highle feature comics,

>> you know, who who aren't like super

known, but they're so good. They're

seeking out to go I brought my opener

from tour,

>> a guy who's not like widely known, but I

just love him and he's so funny. He's so

good. Like he

>> and he put his name in the barrel.

>> Put his name in the barrel.

>> That's the thing, too. If people asking

me to get them on Kill Tony, I cannot.

No one can. That is true. That barrel is

legit. That barrel is legit. You reach

into that barrel. Tony grabs whatever

piece of paper his hands touch and he

pulls it out. And that's how it's always

been done. And that's how he's always

gonna do it because people come to him

all the time. Hey, could you get my

friend on the show? He's like, I cannot

do that.

>> Like

>> that is the show.

>> Thank God.

>> It's got to be chance. It's got to be

chaos. That's part of the fun of it. And

then every now and then someone that

you've never heard of comes up and does

a minute and everybody goes, "Fuck yeah,

that was awesome." And they kill it and

all a sudden they have a career,

>> right?

>> It's great.

>> Okay. Um,

>> it's the cornerstone of standup, too. It

really is because it's wild all. It's

like there are no rules. It's no holds

barred and it's you you've got great

comics on the panel and it has launched

careers. So, because of that, like it is

so important for us having Kill Tony at

the club. It's so important because it

sets the tone for all these comics to

know like, hey, this isn't just like

some random thing of I don't know what

I'm doing. How do I figure it out? How

do I get seen? Like you there's a

pathway and if you can get on Kill Tony

and if you can work your ass off before

then and build up a real solid routine

and go on there and kill it, you can

have a career. It's real.

>> Yep.

>> And then the club has two nights of open

mic nights and there's a real

development program and a real talent

coordinator, Adam Egan, who watches sets

and gives you feedback.

>> The the the opener that I'm talking

about and he drove all the way from

Tampa to be there last night. Uh his

name's Chris Harvey. I love he's 6

foot4,

480 pounds, like missing tooth, beard,

funniest guy.

>> Where's he from?

>> He's from uh Ohio. Um is it Dayton? I'm

not sure where, but uh I I was I was at

a comedy club in Fort Wayne, Indiana,

and he just they they just set him up to

open for me. I watched his set. I was

like, "What are you doing for the next

three weeks?"

>> Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. So,

did he get up on the open mic?

>> He he uh that that's what I I texted

Tony like, "Hey, I've got this opener.

Can I get him on?" And and Tony said, "I

can get him in the bucket. Who knows if

I'll pull him out, but I can also get

him on the open mic to perform for the

the Booker." So, he did that.

>> Nice. Nice.

>> And

>> yeah, it's important that you can't just

get on the show

>> because then he his phone would be just

overrun with people get my boy on and

then some of them suck. And

>> that that makes perfect sense.

>> Yeah. You have to just let it happen. If

they suck, they suck. If they don't,

they're, you know, it's like anything

can happen. And that's part of the

beauty of it. It's like a real magical

moment when you reach into that bucket

and you pull out a name and Bob Smith.

And then Bob Smith comes on out and

gives it a shot.

>> Characters. I mean, dude, it was I just

had so much fun, man. And And

>> I don't like being on the end

>> cuz you're you're too close to these

psychos. You never know. Like I'm always

on edge.

>> That's funny.

>> You want to be like protected by like

one body. Apologies to Tony for giving

away that I was on it last night. Um the

uh

>> he's not going to care

>> that you know I want I want to talk talk

about I I watched Brian Callen special

very recent at the mothership like uh it

was like you got all these people like

you know whenever anybody put that's the

thing about comedy is it's so

subjective

>> that like it's just

>> if anybody can on a special if they

want and I saw these like the YouTube

videos like Oh, Brian Ken, this is the

most worst bomb is going to like end his

career. I was like, come on. Like, let

me I was like, let me watch this. I

enjoyed the hell out of the

Brian Ken special. His uh one that he

just taped at the mother ship.

>> That's great. You got to stop paying

attention to people.

>> Yeah, I I enjoy

>> people want it to suck. Like, there's

people that think everything Chappelle's

last special sucked.

>> There's people

>> Oh my god. Can we talk about that?

>> I didn't I haven't seen it yet. So,

>> okay. the the

>> but I heard it was awesome.

>> The the Riad

>> for people that I trust.

>> The Riyad comedy festival, right? Like

it was such like an aop apocalyptic

nuclear bomb in the world. Did

you go to that? I didn't. No, but like

there was so much backlash for people

who went to it and there would like

individual comics had their their uh you

know their their own way of kind of

defending their move to you know a lot

of comics were very defensive about how

they went and and a lot of them maybe

like were seemed a little bit

disingenuous about like about in their

defense and then dude Dave Chappelle

puts out this special and so

unapologetic about him being at the Riad

com. It was just like it was so

masterful.

>> Oh, he's a master.

>> The way he was just like, "Oh, like I

went to Riad and got paid like a

ton of money to do comedy and like so

unapologetic and it was just like, oh my

god." Well, the idea is that you support

the regime by doing standup over there,

which I think is crazy because you're

doing it for the audience members and

the audience members have no say in who

their government is. They're literally

monarchy.

>> I'm not even I I I don't even have a

judgment whatsoever, especially because

have I ever not watched a UFC event

because it happened in Saudi Arabia or