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If someone's living paycheck to
paycheck, what's the very first step
they can take to break that cycle?
>> Yeah. One of the most unfortunate things
about money is we use money every single
day. It costs money to eat. It costs
money to feed other people. We go to
work to earn money. Yet, most of us are
never taught a thing about money. And so
what happens to so many people is we go
to school to get a good job and now we
go and get an income and then we go and
spend money and that recipe is a
disaster. Just statistically the
majority of Americans are living
paycheck to paycheck. And by majority it
depends on which study you read. It's
somewhere between 55% and some people
say as high as 78% of Americans have no
money left over for a gift, a vacation,
let alone an investment after I just pay
my basic necessities. [sighs]
And now the problem and question
everyone has is why and how do I get
out? And in order to get out, because
that's your question, you have to
understand the why.
Because the reality, and this is going
to sound harsh, but I learned this the
hard way. Our system
is so rigged
for the rich and the financially savvy.
But we're never taught to be financially
savvy. What do I mean? When you
understand money, it's much easier for
you to get that money and grow that
money. When you don't understand it,
you're the one that's making everybody
else rich. So, in this system where you
are working to make money and spend
money, you're working to make everybody
else rich except yourself. Why? Because
the majority of America and really the
world now is I make money and I spend
money. And every dollar you spend is a
dollar going into somebody else's
pocket. And in our society, we live in
what's called a creditbased economy.
What that means is if I make $100 from
my job, I have the ability to spend that
$100 plus more thanks to Visa, Amx,
Mastercard, Discover, and all the other
forms of debt out there. And so if I go
out and spend $100, I'm going to make
you $100 richer. If I spend $100 plus
$50 on my credit card, I just made you
$150 richer. And so when we live in a
society that's built around spending,
but more specifically, credit based
spending, and you don't have that that
shield, that financial education, that
financial savviness to know what to do
with your money. Well, now every
corporation in the world, every bank in
the world is going to hire the smartest
marketers, the smartest MBAs to get you
to spend your money there because that's
going to make them rich. And you are
going to work just to pay bills, just to
make them rich. And now you never have a
chance to get ahead. So this system is
designed this way. Now, how do you get
out? And the way you get out, we can
break it up into multiple steps now. And
it starts with step number one, building
the right mindset. So I'm going to break
it up into seven steps. Step number one
is the mindset.
And when it comes to mindset, there are
four different layers of this mindset
that you have to understand. Number one
is I will become wealthy. Number two is
money is abundant. Number three is money
is a tool. Number four, it's it's my
duty to become wealthy. And the reason
why I say that is a lot of us grow up
with some sort of money trauma, some
sort of money negativity.
And people say poverty is generational.
Well, it's not that we have a gene in
our DNA saying you're going to be poor.
What it is is you grow up hearing money
is bad, money is evil, we don't have
enough money, that's too much money, we
can't afford that. We hear these types
of things growing up. And so we start to
normalize those things that, oh, okay,
as a kid, I can't afford that trip to
Disneyland.
I can't afford these nice things that I
want. And then as you start to get
older, you start to have kids yourself.
What happens when your kids want nice
things? We can't afford that. That's too
much money. That that's beyond what we
have. So that gets passed down. It's
that that mindset that gets passed down.
So the first step is you need to change
the way you talk and say, "I will become
wealthy." And I did a little exercise. I
used to guest teach in Detroit public
schools.
And it was a very tough school district,
very rough school district. And I would
talk to these kids about money. And I
think we talked about this on our last
podcast, but one of the things I would
ask them is, "What is your dream car?"
[gasps]
And many people would have dream cars of
things like a Ford Focus or a Dodge
Challenger. And I would say, "Why not a
Bugatti? Why not a Rolls-Royce?" And the
answer that I would get is somebody like
me from my background could never have a
nice car like that. So when you tell
yourself I can't, I guarantee you can't.
Which is why you have to start saying I
will become wealthy. Number two is money
is a tool. Many people are scared to
talk about money because we're insecure
about our own money. But the reality is
money is a tool that can amplify who you
are. You give a good person more money,
they have a tool to do more good. You
give a bad person more money, they have
a tool to do more bad. Which is why we
need more good people with money and
understanding that hey, you know what?
It is just a tool that can allow you to
do more things to take better care of
your family, your kids, your parents,
and your community. Yeah. I think the
challenge is we look at how much we're
worth as a sign of how much we are
worth, right? Like there's that idea of
we're almost looking at it. The reason
we're uncomfortable or insecure talking
about money is because in some way we
believe society values us based on how
much we make. And suddenly we may have
started to value ourselves that way as
well. Well, this is 100% true. And just
take a look at it from Instagram.
Instagram has become a highlight reel.
I'm going to show my best self. But we
often don't look at it as somebody
else's highlight reel. We look at it as
somebody else's average. And now, let's
say you're in a relationship. Uh, your
wife is now on Instagram and she sees,
"Oh my god, this couple's going to
Cancun. Oh my god, look at this nice
house that this couple has. Oh my, look
at the car he just got her. What's going
to happen? Hey, hub's husband, how come
we can't have these nice things? What
are we doing wrong? How come we we feel
the sense of like I'm missing out?" And
so now we go back to my money is my
worth.
But that's not true. Money is one part
of our lives. And you have to understand
that more money will allow you to
fulfill the financial part of your life,
which is important. But the only way you
get there is by getting on the same page
about money and building that separation
between the emotional side of money and
the logic side of money. And that can be
difficult because often times,
especially when we're struggling with
money, we're thinking emotionally. Why
is it that the casinos are in the
poorest neighborhoods? Why is it that
all these stores are designed to profit
off of people that don't have money?
It's because when you don't have money,
man, it is easy to say, "Hey, let me
give you a dopamine hit. Buy this nice
pair of shoes. Buy this Gucci purse. buy
this whatever thing to the people that
can least afford it because it gives you
that emotional rush that oh [gasps]
that spending therapy. But that's the
same thing that's keeping you broke. You
look rich. You feel better for the
moment and then you have to pay it back
plus interest. And in the beginning of
this podcast, I said our system is
designed to profit off of people that
don't understand this. Well, the reality
is our system is designed to profit off
of keeping you poor. And it's going to
sound harsh, but the reality is banks
profit when you are in debt. The more
debt you are in, the more money they
make. Corporations profit when you spend
money. The more you spend, the more they
make. The government profits when you
are financially uneducated because now
you're going to pay the highest taxes
and you're going to be stuck relying on
the government. when in reality when you
become financially educated you can pay
less money in taxes legally and not need
those same services per se from the
government. That's why the financial
education is so important. But the only
way you can get there is if you can
separate the emotional side from the
logic side. And it starts with that
mindset.
>> Money is a tool.
>> Money is a tool.
>> Yeah.
>> And then it's number three. Money is
abundant. This one is is is a tough one,
but it is one of the most powerful
tools to become financially successful.
Let's say now you make $50,000 a year
and you start to watch some financial
education content on YouTube and you're
like, "Oh, wow. I like this idea to
invest my money." And you become
extremely aggressive and you find a way
to live off of $40,000 and invest
$10,000 a year. [gasps]
Well, what happens to a lot of people in
that situation is you say, "You know
what, Jaspit? I want to do more of this.
I want to be more of an investor because
I can see that light at the end of the
tunnel. I'm going to live now instead of
off of $40,000 a year, I'm going to live
off of $38,000 a year and put aside
12,000. Then maybe I live off of
$37,000. I'm going to invest 13,000."
This is a scarcity mindset way of
thinking because you think that there's
a limited pie and you can just squeeze
more pennies out of the pie. I mean,
everybody on the internet talks about
why you need to stop thinking straw
Starbucks so you can have $5 more to
invest. Well, let's flip that just a
little bit. You make $50,000 a year.
You're saving and investing $10,000. But
what if now you work to earn $500,000 a
year? And if you were going to save and
invest that same percentage of your
income, that means now you can save and
invest $100,000 a year. Now, the first
time you hear that, your response is
probably going to be just you are out of
your mind. My boss is not going to 10x
my income. How am I supposed to go from
50 grand to $500,000 a year? Are you,
you know, bad word? Well, I want you to
take a step back. What did we just say?
I will become wealthy. Money is a tool.
Money is abundant. There's a lot of
money in the world. A lot of money.
There are some people that make whatever
you make in a month. There are people
that make whatever you make in a week.
There are people that make whatever you
make in a day. And there's probably
people that make whatever you're making
in an hour. If you start to reframe the
way you look at money, now you can start
doing different things. Maybe you start
watching more YouTube videos on how do
you earn more money. Maybe you start to
read books about it. And maybe you don't
get to $500,000 a year, but maybe you
get 80% of the way there, 50% of the way
there.
It's still a lot further and you will
never get there unless you start
thinking about money in terms of
abundance. And finally, it is my duty to
become wealthy. In the sik religion, um
we have three main values. I'm not here
to preach anything, but there are three
main fundamental tenants,
which means remember God, serve others
before you serve yourself, and earn an
honest living. It is in my belief your
duty to become financially successful so
you can take better care of yourself,
better take care of your family and take
better care of your community. And once
you can understand these things and
change the way you think, it's not easy,
but if you can work on that, listen to
your podcast, listen to the other stuff
out there, now you can move on to step
number two, which is learn the rules of
money. And again, I know we're getting
into the theoretical stuff right after
this. We'll talk about the practical
side of what do you actually do with
your money. But you have to learn the
rules of money because one of the things
that I learned is that wealthy people
understand that money is a game
and every single person is playing this
money game.
>> Mhm.
>> But the way that wealthy people are
playing the money games are very
different than everybody else.
>> The average person thinks about money
and how you attract that money is I have
to go to work and I have to earn this
money. I have to I have to work hard to
get this money. Now, you do have to work
hard. There's no way around that. But
the way that wealthy people and
financially savvy people think about
money is I'm going to work hard not to
make the money, but own an asset.
>> And this asset is going to make me more
money. I'm going to work to own the the
things that will keep paying me even
after I stop working.
And that is a completely different
different way of thinking because the
average person is thinking if I can make
a little bit more money, I'm going to
drive a better car. If I can make a
little bit more money, I'm going to buy
a better house. If I could get a bonus,
I'm going to go on a vacation. If I
could get a nice raise, I'm going to buy
my wife a nice purse. We think in terms
of spending. Wealthy people think in
terms of investments. And there's three
rules of money that I learned that you
have to understand. Number one is that
money flows to the investor.
When I go to Chipotle and I and I buy a
bowl of extra guac, who am I benefiting?
Am I really supporting the employees?
Yes, in a way, because I will be paying
their salary, but the the real profits
are going to the owners of Chipotle.
It's going to the investors of Chipotle.
Money rule number two is inflation
benefits the investor. What does that
mean? Over the last 5 years, we've seen
the prices of things rise. This is
because of inflation. Inflation didn't
just start after the pandemic. It's been
happening for a long long long time. And
so you might have heard your
grandparents or parents say, "When I was
young, I used to go to the movie theater
for a nickel, a dollar, whatever it
might be. Now it's $25 to go to a
movie." This is inflation. So now when
you spend those more dollars at Chipotle
who's getting those more dollars, it's
the owners of Chipotle, the investors.
And then finally is our system is
designed to benefit the investor. As a
licensed attorney, who's not your
attorney, I can tell you that when you
earn your money as an investor,
you are going to pay a lower tax rate
than when you earn your money as an
employee.
That's why it is so important to
understand the rules of money because
our entire system is designed to make
the financially savvy wealthier while
everybody else is paying the price. I'll
give you one more example. When I was in
law school, I learned about this concept
called fiduciary duty.
And what I didn't understand and what I
learned is that the CEO of a company,
your boss, has a fiduciary duty to make
one person rich. Do you know who that
is? It's not the employees at the
company. It's not the customers at the
company. It is the owners of the
company, the investors in the company.
The CEO has to make decisions to make
the investors rich. And we're never
taught to become an investor. We're
taught to become an employee. Now, it's
not bad to work a job. That's not what
I'm saying. In fact, that's probably the
best thing for most people. What I'm
saying is you have to understand that
when you go to work, you now have to
take some of that money and become an
investor. Now when you do that, now you
can start to get into the practical
steps of what you do with your money.
>> Yeah.
>> So we talked about now step number one
is you have to build the mindset. Now
you have to learn the rules of money.
Now we get into the practical side,
which is step number three. Get out of
the financial danger zone. And what I
mean by that is the very first thing you
have to do is save $2,000 as fast as
possible.
>> Just 2,000.
>> Just start with 2,000 as a start and
then pay off your credit card debt.
Half of America today does not have
$1,000
put aside to protect them against
emergency. So if your car breaks down,
your kid gets sick, your window breaks,
the average person
has to go into debt to pay for that
expense. You have zero breathing room.
If you want to go on vacation, you want
to do anything, you have to go into debt
to do that. So we need to stop that. I
call this the financial danger zone. You
need to save $2,000 as fast as possible.
And the way you can do that is by
spending less or working to earn more.
And you have to make some extreme
sacrifice if you don't have that.
>> Do you know what people are wasting the
most amount of money on right now in in
the United States? Is there any research
on that?
>> Oh man. [laughter]
Well, if you are somebody who does not
have $2,000 saved up, there's a lot of
things you got to cut out. And this is
going to sound mean, but I don't say
what I say to make friends. I say what I
say to help people be better with money.
You should not be eating at a
restaurant. You should not be going on
vacations. You should not be driving
around in a fancy car. You shouldn't be
living in a big fancy house right now.
You got to make some extreme sacrifices
if you don't have $2,000. So much so
that what I tell people is you should
not have a Netflix subscription.
Not because it's going to save you $15 a
month, but because the average American
is watching somewhere between two to
three hours of Netflix a day.
If you don't have $2,000,
how can you feel comfortable sitting
there at night time watching whatever
the heck is on Netflix? You have to have
a little bit of urgency that, oh my god,
I got to take care of my family. So,
whatever you can cut back on, do it. And
then once you get that $2,000, pay off
your high interest credit card debts.
Because when you are in that situation
where you have those high interest
debts,
you are trying to climb a mountain with
a,000 lbs of chain strapped to your
back. You're never going to get to the
next step because anytime you get some
money, you got to pay it back off. In
fact, let me give you an example, Jay.
If I gave you $6,500
today and you invested that money today,
you never touched that money again, you
never invested another penny again, and
you could get a, let's say, 20% return a
year on that money, in 40, 45 years,
you're going to retire very wealthy.
You're not going to have a million, $5
million, $10 million, $50 million.
you're going to have closer to $60
million
off of that one investment of the $6,400
$6,500 that I give you today. Now,
you're going to say, "All right, sign me
up, Josh. Put it give me that money and
where do I invest it?"
>> Well, here's the reality. Do you know
who's getting those returns? Amex, Visa,
Mastercard, Discover. And do you know
who's paying it? You. M
>> if you have credit card debt. And so
instead of you having that wealth, you
are the one that's paying for their
private jets. You are the one that's
paying for their big buildings. You are
the one that's paying for their
luxuries.
Which is why I get so serious about this
that if you want to become wealthy, you
have to you have to you have to get out
of this financial danger zone. Once you
get there, now we can get to the next
step. Step number four. This is where
things not get fun because you finally
have a little bit of a foundation.
[gasps]
Now you can create a system for your
money. The difference between wealthy
people and everybody else is wealthy
people know what they're going to do
with their money before they earn it.
Everybody else gets the money and then
they wonder, well, what should I do? How
should I spend this money? And this is
where it is very helpful to have a a
system for your money. One that I teach
is a 751510
plan [snorts] which says for every
dollar that you earn from here on out.75
is the maximum that you can spend. 15
cents is the minimum that you invest. 10
cents is the minimum that you save. This
way whether you're earning $30,000 a
year, $300,000 a year, or $3 million a
year, you're always going to have a rule
of how much you can save, invest, and
spend. and break that down for us again.
>> 75 15 10. So the way I'd like you to do
this is I want you to open three bank
accounts and you're going to make money.
Money gets deposited into one bank
account. Create an automatic withdrawal
and deposit. That money gets pulled out
of one bank account and 15% goes into
your bank account holding your
investment money. 10% goes into your
bank account holding your savings money.
The reason why you want to have three
different bank accounts is because if
you have $100 in one bank account and
you think, "This is my investing money
and my saving money. You go into the
store and you see this nice sweater on
sale. It's $90. I have $100 in my bank
account. Well, I should be able to
afford it, right?" Well, you forget that
some of that money is supposed to be
saved and invested. And then you pay
taxes on that sweater. And now you spent
$989 on that sweater. And oops, I just
spent my savings and my investment
money. which is why you need the three
different bank accounts. Your savings
are not going to make you wealthy. This
is a big lie that we've been sold. Your
savings are there to protect you. Your
investments are there to make you
wealthy. And that spending money is what
you pay for your house, your groceries,
your vacations, and everything else.
Now, we move on to the next step is how
do you spend your money smartly? And
this is where things start to get a
little bit painful, but this is where
you can really accelerate your wealth.
You know how to spend your money now.
You have a good system. Now, when it
comes to actually accelerating your
wealth, you got to spend your money
smartly. And what I mean by that is no
more financing things that don't put
money in your pocket. And then follow
the rule of five when it comes to
luxuries. So, when it comes to no more
financing things, it's very normal. You
want to buy the new iPhone, why would
you pay $1,1200,
put it in $50 a month, 0% APR? It's free
money. Why wouldn't you take it? Well,
let me ask you a question. If I walked
into the bank today and I said, "Give me
a $1,000 loan at 0% APR." What are they
going to say? Heck no. There's a door.
Why is it that somebody's willing to
offer me 0% APR? Not just somebody, a
very profitable corporation. Because
they know how to make money off of you
with a 0% APR. Why? Because at 0% APR,
number one, it's going to make it much
easier for you to buy the new iPhone
more often. Number two, you don't feel
the pain of $1,000 leaving your bank
account. It's just $50 a month. Number
three, when you buy the new phone, well,
now they can sell you the new AirPods,
the new charger, the new case for it.
And then number four, they know that a
lot of people are not going to pay it
off in time and now they're going to
slap on that 15, 20, 25% interest, which
then makes them even wealthier, which is
why you should not be financing things
even at 0% APR. If it doesn't put money
in your pocket, do not finance it. The
only exception is the house that you
live in. [sighs and gasps] And then my
rule of five, if you can't buy five of
them, you can't afford one of them,
[laughter]
especially for luxuries.
>> That's a good rule. So, you want to buy
a nice $1,000 watch, you better have
$5,000.
So,
>> of disposable income,
>> of extra money.
>> Yeah.
>> Now, we can get into the next step,
which is how do you earn more money? The
step number six, because now we know how
to create a system with your money. You
know that I'm going to do 75, 15, 10. I
know how to spend my money. Now, let me
earn more money. And this is the part
that many people get flipped because
they assume that I just got to make some
more money. Well, if you make more money
without knowing what to do with that
money, you make more money, then you
make other people rich with it because
you just go and spend it. This is where
now it is important for you to figure
out how can you earn more money. Maybe
you ask for a raise at your job. Maybe
you get a second job. Maybe you create
your own business. Maybe you learn how
to utilize artificial intelligence. You
find ways to earn more money. But you
keep following that system, the 75, 15,
10. And that's the key is as you earn
more money, you keep investing more
money because that's what's going to
make you wealthy. And then finally at
the top step number seven
is you have to protect your assets. And
there's two parts to this. Number one is
you got to understand the legal side.
That means understanding taxes because
taxes can be one of the biggest expenses
that you have to pay. You have to
understand how do you pass this wealth
down? How do you put shields around you?
Because when people realize you have
money, they're going to want some of it
for themselves.
And this also means how do you give
back? How do you help others? How are
you going to leave a legacy for yourself
and your family? That's now wealth
planning. And so we talked about now
kind of the whole progression of these
seven steps. But it starts with that
mental side of understanding the
mindset. Then you got to understand the
framework of the rules of money. Then we
start with the basics of saving the
2,000, paying off the credit card debt.
Then you build a system for your money.
From there, once you have the system,
you have to know how to spend your money
the right way. Then you have to learn
how to earn more money the right way.
Then you learn how to manage your
wealth, grow your wealth, and pass on
your wealth.
>> Yeah, that is a really brilliant system.
I mean, that's a masterclass truly
because
>> I call it the climb to wealth.
>> Yeah, it's brilliant. It's so great. And
I love that it goes from I love that you
start with the mindset and then switch
into the practicals of money because
if you taught all the practical stuff
and people didn't have the mindset,
you'll make mistakes and you'll actually
put your money in the wrong places. And
if you only have the philosophy and the
mindset and don't have the practicals,
well then it's just a nice idea. On
eBay, every find has a story. Like if
you're looking for a vintage band tea,
not just a tea, the band from the last
show your favorite band ever played. You
wore it everywhere. Then your best
friend started wearing it, which was
cute until they unfriended you and took
it with them, which was not so cool.
Anyway, now you're on eBay and there it
is. Same tea from the same tour, still
living in your memory, rentree forever.
See, the things you love have a way of
finding their way back to you. But eBay
isn't just forgetting whatever your ex
or ex- best friend stole back. It's also
for that rare championship foul ball you
caught, then heroically gave to the kid
next to you. And where else are you
going to find your first car? The one
you wish you never sold, but now finally
get the chance to take back home. For
good this time, shop eBay for millions
of finds, each with a story. eBay,
things people love. The big question
that comes to my mind right now is for
anyone who's like, "Justree, I'm making
that $50,000. I'm making that $30,000. I
want to make more money right now. What
is the fastest, most effective,
realistic way I can make more money
today?" so that I have more of the 7510
split to ultimately invest more. What do
you recommend I do in this day and age
right now?
>> And can I recommend what you shouldn't
do too?
>> Yeah. So, I talk about investing a lot.
That's that is my focus is the financial
side of what do you do with that money
and so uh I was actually just doing a
conversation with somebody about this
where
a lot of people who end up in a tough
financial situation whatever it might be
maybe you have debts you have expenses
you have you're in a situation where
money is tight you go into the internet
and now you start to hear about this
topic called passive income
and now you think wow if I could just
have some more money coming in passive
ly I could pay all my bills and no
longer have to worry about money.
But that's not how it works. Investing
and everything that I'm talking about
when it comes to growing your wealth is
when you have extra money that you don't
need and you throw it into this
investment. You throw it into this asset
that is going to then grow and make you
more money. It is not fast, but if you
do it right, it works and it can make
you wealthy.
And that's how that works.
>> Mhm.
>> Your question was, "How can somebody
start to earn more money fast?" And
the first thing that you can do, ask
your boss for a raise. But don't do it
with the way most people do it. Because
what most people will say is, "Hey boss,
I've been working here for a long time.
Can I get an extra $5,000 a year,
$10,000 a year, whatever it might be?"
[gasps]
And well, what your boss is probably
going to say is,
"No, because I'm going to pay you to do
the same thing." No. Instead, I want you
to think about it from their
perspective.
The fastest way for you to make more
money at your job is to make your boss
more money. And if you can show them,
hey, I'm going to make you an extra
$20,000 a year. You pay me an extra
$10,000 a year. Now, they will probably
say yes because you are adding more
value to them. How can you do that? It's
going to depend on your position. But
find a way to add more value and go to
them and say, "Hey, look, here's what
I'm going to do. Here's how much more
revenue I'm going to drive. Here's how
much more money I'm going to make you. I
just want a piece of what I'm going to
make you." Some people are going to say
and say, "Wow, I like that idea." Others
are going to say, "Screw that. I don't
want to make my boss richer." Okay, then
well, you can try to do something for
yourself. And today AI is probably not
probably it is the biggest opportunity
that we have at our fingertips. It is
growing faster than the rate of the
internet. It's growing faster than the
adoption of blockchain. And most people
think that AI is how do I go on to chat
and search guacamole recipes.
But if you can understand AI,
you can get ahead of the curve and solve
a problem for many businesses or people
with money. Help them understand it.
Help them use it. And in exchange, you
charge them money to do that. And
there's so many ways to do it. I mean,
this is going to get into how do you
actually make money? How do you build a
business? But if you can find a pain
point, for example, dentists have a pain
point which is that patients don't show
up for their services.
Well, you can use AI to help solve that
painoint. What can you do if you can
show these dental offices, hey, let me
build you an AI tool that will
automatically text your patients when
they have an appointment and it will
say, if you can't make it, click this
button. If they can't make it and you
click the button, your AI tool will then
work to find somebody else who's on the
waiting list to come in and fill that
slot. Well, now all of a sudden, you
helped that dentist office
fill more of the slots, have less
vacancies, and make more money. And then
you could take it one step further.
After they're done with a procedure,
send out an automatic text message
saying, "Did you like your service? How
was it? If you enjoyed it, give us a
fivestar review on Google." which is
going to help drive more patients for
the dentist office. And so that's the
thing is people assume I'm just going to
go teach AI. I'm going to go help. It's
too broad. Get specific. There are every
business in the world should be using AI
to some way, shape, or form. Most people
have no idea how it works. If you have
some time, study it, learn,
and if you can figure out a one pain
point, go out and solve it for one
person. Let there be a testimonial for
the second. Let there be a testimonial
for the third. And now all of a sudden,
you're in business.
>> Yeah. I love I love I love the first
piece of advice as well. And I think
there's three types of people that ask
for a raise. The first person just asks
for a raise, as you said. They're like,
oh, can I get some more money? And it's
like, well, you're doing the same exact
thing. Why would I pay you? The second
type of person shows you everything
they've done in the past and ask for a
raise. And the person again goes, "Well,
that's great, but you did that anyway."
>> Yeah.
>> And then the third type of person goes,
"This is what I want to do." Which is
what you're saying, which is like, "Hey,
here's I'm going to make you 10,000,
20,000% more, whatever it may be in your
position." And that third type of person
is the person who gets the raise because
you're now investing,
>> right,
>> as an employer in what you hope is
something that's valuable to you if it's
a win-win.
>> If you work a job, you have to know how
you're making money for your company.
Yeah,
>> if you don't spend this weekend figuring
that out because unless you understand
how you drive revenue for your business,
you are just a a piece of space. And I
say this as nice as possible because
we're talking about AI. AI is getting
smarter. It is getting more advanced. I
mean, CATBT did not exist 5 years ago.
It is getting more advanced every single
day. And you know, there's a lot of talk
about people being replaced by AI, which
is true, but the bigger threat to that
is you being replaced by somebody who
knows how to use AI.
>> Yeah.
>> And so, if you don't understand how
you're driving revenue for your
business, [snorts]
well, there's a chance that there's a
missing link between what you're doing
as a job and what the business needs
from what you are there to do.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's what we got to figure out.
And even with your second part of the
answer which is like how do you learn to
use AI for something? It is people who
start with problems like trying to
figure out a problem that you can help
solve.
>> Mhm.
>> That is really where it is. I think
often we sit there we go I want to come
up with a really cool idea.
>> Yeah.
>> And it's like every cool idea was only
cool because it solved a good problem.
If it didn't solve a problem it wasn't a
cool idea. And so if you are close to a
problem like sometimes people think also
I want to go do something that I enjoy
and love and that's great and and
wonderful if it works out but it's like
there's something that you know in your
career path.
>> Yeah.
>> Because you're close to it. I have a
friend funnily enough you talked about
dentistry. I have a friend who's a
dentist. He just understands the dental
industry better because he's been so
close to it for so many years. It's not
his passion. It's not what he loves.
It's not what he enjoys. But he's been
able to build solutions for dental
practices that allows him to make more
money than even being a dentist. And
again, it comes back down to what you
just said, which is start where you are.
Start where you understand problems. You
don't have to go and learn some new
industry and figure something out
because I think that can feel quite
overwhelming sometimes to think, "Oh
god, I don't know anything about what's
happening in the world." you got to know
your your skill set as well, but I think
you nailed it on the head with that
problem side because I looked as you
were talking I was kind of smiling cuz I
was looking back at my life and I was
like everything that I've kind of done
sort of successfully was because there
was some problem that I was trying to
solve. My first kind of reals I don't
want to say first but one of my earlier
more successful businesses was an
e-commerce company. It was a
waterresistant sock. And this is I mean
it goes so beyond what we're talking
about. But I came up with this idea
because I was in school. I was in
college taking a public speaking class
and they gave us an assignment to pitch
a product to the class kind of like
Shark Tank or Dragon's Den.
>> And I procrastinated. I put it off. And
one day it was raining for class and I
ran to class. I stepped in a puddle. I
got to class and the teacher's like,
"It's your day to present." And I said,
"Present what?" She's like, "The
product." And I said, "Oh crap." I'm
standing in front of class, my heart is
beating, my socks are wet. And I started
talking about water resistant socks that
if you're an athlete, because I used to
put football in high school, American
football. Uh oh man, when it rains, your
feet feel soaked. And I started talking
about water resistant socks and how
athletes would love it. And I I sat down
and I was like, "That's kind of a cool
idea. How can I do that?" So I created a
water resistant sock. And that was my
first kind of internet business. And
then I think about what I'm doing now.
Uh so I run a company called Briefs
Media. Our flagship product is called
Market Briefs which is a a free daily
newsletter. And that started because
during COVID the economy flipped upside
down like in a matter of a day. And so I
went from making YouTube videos like
three times a week to 7 days a week. And
there's a there's there's so much
happening in the news that I asked my
team. I said, "Hey, uh, can you send me
a daily briefing of what's happening in
the markets and make it stupid simple so
I can understand because I don't like
complex jargon." And so my team started
sending this to me and I I was like,
"Huh, I wonder if other people would
like this." So I would occasionally
mention this on my YouTube channel that,
hey, if you want to get a daily report
of what's happening in the markets, you
can just join this newsletter. At the
time, it was called the Minority Mindset
Newsletter. Super original, right? And
um it's that started picking up uh
attention. People started to like it and
I was like, "Huh, we can actually do
something with this. We're not making
any money, but I was like, I I see the
value because I like reading this
newsletter and I don't like the complex
jargon of all the traditional financial
news. I just want to know what's
happening in the stock market and the
housing market and crypto." I just break
it down into a quick fiveminute read.
And that's when we re rebranded it into
market briefs. And I said, hm, let's
ignore all this other like stuff that we
were doing. Let's put more energy and
focus into market briefs. And that's
what then allowed that to take off,
which then was the flagship for many
other products that we have now in our
company. But it started with that
painoint.
>> That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. It's always
a pain point. I just whether it's
something like that like a newsletter,
whether it's the biggest business in the
world today, like it all started from a
painoint.
>> Yeah. And and I think if we spent more
time with pain points, we'd come up with
better ideas rather than trying to come
up with solutions and ideas to problems
that either don't exist or that we're
imagining. I I know a lot of people like
this, probably even on my team, people
that I know, friends and family who are
like they were never exposed to
investing. They even I wasn't. I had no
idea growing up what investing was.
>> You and me both.
>> Yeah. I had no clue. No one ever
explained it to me. I didn't know anyone
who invested really, I don't think.
Maybe I knew one person who had one
other property than the one they owned.
I didn't grow up in that circle. If
someone's out there going, "Okay, I want
to start investing. What's the smallest
amount I need to start investing? What's
the number? Where do they start?" Now,
$1.
You can start investing with any amount
of money. And the whole idea of
investing is you take this extra money
and you're going to put it into this
thing. you're going to buy something
with it with the goal of making money
off of this thing as opposed to just
buying a watch or a pair of shoes.
But the part that I think a lot of
people don't understand, especially if
they don't grow up learning about
investing like we didn't is there's more
than one way to invest because
10 years ago, what was investing or what
did people think investing was? How do I
find the next Amazon? How do I find the
next Apple? Today, a lot of people think
investing is how do I find the next
memecoin? How do I find the next
cryptocurrency before it pops off? We
start to think of investing in terms of
gambling. Especially because now there's
so much of it around us. I mean, there's
sports betting, there's uh there's
foreign exchange markets, there's poly
markets. I mean, people are betting on
uh what the Federal Reserve Bank is
going to do next. They're betting on
these wild decisions off of You remember
that one? There was a big couple that
got caught cheating at the Cold Play
concert. I forget who it was.
>> There was a a betting market around are
they going to file a divorce or not. So
people are quote unquote investing their
money
>> on don't that type of thing. So people
are now like making businesses out of
all sorts of prediction markets. And so
we start to assume without any financial
education that investing is the same
thing. We're just going to predict
what's going to happen in something
tomorrow. But that's really not what
investing is. Investing is something
that you want to buy and own for the
long term that you believe is going to
either go up in value and maybe pay you
with some sort of interest along the
way. Maybe it's going to deposit money
every month, maybe it's going to deposit
money every 3 months, maybe it's going
to deposit money every year into your
bank account for not doing anything.
That's what investing is. So now, how do
you go about doing it? And there are
three layers that you need to
understand. Number one is the most
hands-off.
And that is I'm going to give my money
to you, a financial adviser, and you are
going to manage my money for me. And now
it's completely handsoff. And so if you
just run some basic numbers, if I invest
$1,000 a month for 30 years, and my
financial adviser can beat the markets,
they do 11% a year, I'm going to end up
with 1.8 million, but I got to pay a
fee. I got to pay a price.
You might have to pay 1 and a.5% in
fees. So, you might end up paying 500 or
$600,000 in fees. So, the 1.8 million is
what you're getting after the fees.
Option number two, if you want to be a
little bit more involved but not fully
involved, is what I call being a passive
investor. And passive investing is all
about finding a basket of stocks and now
you just keep consistently investing
your money in it. So, for example, you
can invest in the United States economy,
in the broad economy. And one of the
most common and popular ways to do that
is to invest in something called the SNP
500. That's a group of the 500 largest
companies in the stock market. You don't
have to go out and find Amazon and Tesla
and all these companies. You just invest
in this fund and you don't have to touch
it. And the nice thing about it is if
you invest your money into this fund and
let's just say Amazon goes bankrupt, you
don't have to do anything. The fund is
going to kick Amazon out as they get
smaller and they're going to replace
them with another company. So it's
completely fast passive for you.
Historically,
this has averaged about 10% growth a
year. A little bit more than that, but
right around 10% historically despite
the recessions, despite market crashes,
because know we know that they happen.
it has averaged about 10% a year. So if
you invest $1,000 a month for 30 years,
that would be about $1.9 million.
Then you have layer three, the most
involved. This is called being an active
investor. And being an active investor
is not trading. It's not flipping. It's
I want to own good investments that I
believe in, that I've researched, I put
the work into, and I want to own them
for the long term. So this might be
investing in individual companies,
individual stocks. Maybe now I want to
invest in Amazon. Maybe now I want to
invest in McDonald's or whatever. Maybe
it's investing in individual re real
estate properties.
And the goal with this is you're taking
on more risk for more potential return.
So we talked about how if you just
invest your money into the broad
economy, you're averaging about 10% a
year. as an active investor, you know,
we're not talking about 200% returns or
100% or even 50% returns that people
like to talk about on the internet
because that's not sustainable. It's a
lie. It's a scam and they're screwing
you over.
We're talking about a slight edge. Let's
just say 13% a year. If you can do that,
13% a year, $1,000 a month for 30 years,
well, now you're going to have about
$3.5 million. So, we're talking about
$1.6 $6 million more than if you
passively invested. You're taking on
more risk. It's more work and more
research,
but there's more potential upside. And
so, you have to know kind of where along
this curve you want to be because active
investing is not for everybody. This is
what our firm focuses on is that
research for active investors,
but it's more risk for more potential
upside.
>> Yeah. And and it almost feels like it's
better to start and move layer by layer
by layer rather than dive straight in.
It often is just to start with what's
most accessible to you because what is
most accessible to most people is
something like a 401k or IRA.
And I personally don't use a 401k
because it's not right for me. But
personal finance is personal. Okay?
What's right for you is not going to be
right for me. Start with whatever you
have access to and then take the next
step. and then take the next step. And
then you'll start to realize what are
all the options out there because it can
be intimidating because you say, "Oh my
god, should I invest in stocks or real
estate or crypto? Should I invest in
individual companies or ETFs or mutual
funds? Oh my god, should I be investing
in apartments or or single family
houses? Should I be using like take a
breath? It's okay. Just start. The
reason why people don't see the success
that they want out of their investments
isn't generally because they made the
wrong decision. It's because they never
made a decision. It's because it never
started. But once you can get started,
you can make that adjustment. I talk I I
relate uh investing to working out all
the time. Because I see the same thing
in the gym. People that are getting
started with working out, they'll say,
"Just what should I do? Should I go do
these highintensity workout? Should I do
this low intensity workout? Should I do
carnivore diet? Should I do a vegan
diet? Should I do you know, look, just
get on a treadmill and put down the
donuts, right? Start and then take the
next step. and then the next step and
just just start and then you'll see what
works better for you.
>> Yeah. How do you track the stock market?
Break that down for me for someone who
doesn't know where to start. Kind of
like what we're saying right now where
you know someone's like, "Oh, I'm
thinking of doing this. I'm thinking of
doing this." They don't understand. How
would you break it down for them?
>> Yeah. So, well, the stock market is a
place where anybody can go out and buy a
piece of ownership in a company.
Not every company. the company has to be
what's called publicly traded. So for
example, Briefs Media, my company, it's
private, meaning you can't invest in my
company. But if a company is publicly
traded, for example, McDonald's,
you can buy a piece of that company.
It's called a share. And if you buy one
share of McDonald's, you become one of
the owners of that company. So when I go
to Nike and I buy a pair of shoes, I am
a consumer at Nike. When I own one share
of the Nike stock, I become one of the
owners of Nike. As the owner of Nike, I
profit. When you buy the Nike shoes, as
a consumer of Nike, I am making the
investors richer, but I look cool cuz I
got the Nike. I got the Jordans on. And
so, the whole idea behind the stock
market is you are buying shares of these
companies that are publicly traded. Now,
the price of a stock is going to depend
on whatever the stock is. And what
causes the price of a stock to go up and
down is not how much money the company's
making. It's supply and demand. And what
I mean by that is the price of any
asset,
real estate, stocks, crypto, it
ultimately depends on how many buyers
and sellers there are of that asset.
So if more people want to buy the
McDonald's stock than there are sellers
of the McDonald's stock, that stock
price will go up. If people are selling
the stock more than there are buyers,
the price of that stock goes down, which
then goes to the next question. What
causes it to go up or down? Why do
people buy versus why do people sell?
And there are a whole list of reasons,
but you can look at the obvious. If
McDonald's starts to produce bad
hamburgers, the owners might say, "I
don't know about this." Well, maybe not
the hamburgers cuz McDonald's is
actually in the real estate business.
But if McDonald's starts to have some
problems, the owners might say, "Maybe I
should sell." If McDonald's starts to
have smaller profits, now the investors
might get concerned. If they start to
have bigger profits than expected, more
people might want to buy, which could
push the stock price up. So, you have to
understand the psychology of the buyers
and sellers
because there's two parts to successful
investing. One is the the financial
side, but it's also the emotional side.
And in today's market,
our markets are more emotional than ever
before. Business Insider actually did a
study on this recently where they I mean
it's not really that hard to find, but
they said that our stock market is more
volatile than previous decades,
[sighs and gasps]
which for the average person is not good
because they say, "Oh my god, I'm scared
my the markets are going to go down. I'm
going to lose money." But for the
financially savvy,
that creates more opportunity than ever.
In 2025, for example, we saw three stock
market crashes. When we saw the first
announcement of tariffs, markets
crashed. Then tariffs were paused,
markets hit new record highs. Then we
had the second announcement of tariffs,
markets crashed. Once those were paused,
markets rose again. Then we had
liberation day, the third announcement
of tariffs, markets crashed at the
fastest rate since the pandemic. Then
there were paused and markets broke new
record highs. See, for the average
person, that was a nightmare. But for
the financially savvy, all of those
downturns created a great buying
opportunity.
The thing that I like to tell people is
you're going to see ups and downs. But
when you have those crazy times, I want
you to remember one thing. I want you to
remember poop. P O P. Why? Because panic
leads to overselling leads to
opportunity leads to profit.
And that's where, you know, we've been
talking a little bit about the education
side of investing, but that psychology
is just as important because if you're
the one that's panicking, well, you're
making somebody else wealthier.
>> Yeah.
>> And you have to understand what it is
that you're investing in and know how
that fits in with your investing
strategy. That way you can actually make
money instead of being the person that's
making somebody else money.
>> Yeah, I was gonna I was going to say
that one mindset that sticks very close
to what you're saying, which may have to
go earlier on in your system, is this
idea of I'm trying to get the language
right. You you'll name it better because
it's your system. But this idea of just
don't chase fast money. Because I think
the reason why we get scared when the
markets crash, when we're not
financially savvy, is because we
thought, "Oh god, I lost all my money.
Let me take it out." Right? or let me
avoid putting more money in because
things are not looking safe. And this
idea of this mindset that we have around
I just want to make money quick, you
know, I just want to put something in
next year it's huge and then I want to
pull out. And it's like well that's like
very very rare for people to pull off.
And I think that speedy money is what
stops us from making good decisions
because by the time you actually put
money in, you're like, "Oh, they I
should have done it last year." Right?
Cuz you're just watching that quick win.
Does that make sense? Yeah. And that
that is actually it goes back into what
you were saying a little bit ago when
you said, "What about that person who's
living paycheck to paycheck?" What does
that person want? I want a relief of
where I am. So what is that relief
often? It's fast money. It's like, "Oh
my god, my arm hurts. What do I want? I
want relief. Give me the extra strength
Tylenol or whatever it is because I just
want a quick fix." And so what happens
to a lot of times that person in the
situation and we we were hinting at this
from a different angle before is you get
screwed over. The system profits off of
you because well you are a prime
candidate for spending money.
But now if you start to say, "Oh my god,
I just want to make some more money."
What happens? Well, you become a prime
candidate for that fast money. And that
fast money
most of the times is not there. And when
it is there, if it does happen to come
fast, you are also going to lose it just
as fast. Because if you don't know what
to do with that money, well, it can go
and leave just as fast. It's a they say
I think it's like 80% of lottery winners
go broke or bankrupt within 5 years of
winning the lottery. Why? It's not
because you didn't have enough money.
People have won millions and millions
and millions of dollars. If you don't
have the financial education and the
money comes fast, it's going to
disappear just as fast. And on the other
side, when you become desperate for
money, you become a prime candidate to
buy those programs and services that are
trying to sell you this dream of, hey,
all you got to do is work 3 hours a week
on a laptop off of a beach in Bali and
you're going to make $10,000 a month.
$10,000 a week. You don't have to do
anything. It sounds amazing. Sign me up.
$997, no problem. Well, that fast money
>> Yeah.
>> doesn't work like that.
>> Yeah.
>> There's no sacrificing the hard work.
Yeah, you brought up AI. Where do you
see the biggest opportunities with AI
and investing right now?
>> Oh man. Well, let me premise it with
this because I love talking about
history because while history doesn't
exactly repeat itself, it does rhyme.
When the internet started to become
popular in the '9s,
we started to see very similar things
happen. What do I mean by that? If you
started a company in the mid to late 90s
and you put the word.com at the end of
it, you could go to whatever bank or
investing institution you wanted and
raise a couple million dollars because
they wanted a piece of that action.
Money was just being dumped into the
internet companies. And then came the
year 2000. And in the year 2000, that
internet bubble that was created popped
and we saw internet stocks get wiped out
and there was a index called the NASDAQ
which tracks a lot of these techy type
companies. At that time it was a lot of
internet companies. That index fell by
about 78%.
And it was a disastrous crash
where even Amazon stock fell by more
than 90%.
But during that time, we started to hear
the news that the internet must be a
fad. The internet's done. No one's using
the internet before. I mean, there was a
lot of famous headlines from big
newspapers that published that.
>> Well, what happened?
It wasn't that the internet died, but a
lot of internet companies did die. It
was the strong companies that survived
and Amazon became what it is today. So,
you talk about AI. Could we be in an AI
bubble? Absolutely. Uh we're always in
some sort of bubble. We have more money
going into AI than ever before. And it
really feels like that rate is
accelerating. And it's like it's like a
infinite black hole of money. It's just
money coming out of everywhere from the
government, from foreign countries, from
investors. Everybody wants a piece of
the action.
Could we see an AI bubble burst?
Absolutely.
But just like how the internet bubble
burst, it doesn't mean the AI is going
to go away if it does happen. It means
that the smart and the savvy will
survive and then the others will get
wiped out. So now let me ask that answer
that question. Now, where's the
opportunity? And I'm going to explain
this like an onion because like onions
have multiple layers. That's how savvy
investors like to think about their
investments. Because when a lot of
people think about AI, they think how
can I invest in chat GPT?
Well, when you're saying that, what
you're essentially saying is I want to
invest in the company that's producing
the AI. And there are companies that do
that, which sure, but that's the top
layer of the onion. What every savvy
investor wants to do is they want to
know where is the money moving, where's
the money going to go before other
people understand. That's what
investment research is all about. And
that's what I I tried to spend a lot of
my time and what's my company works on.
So let's let's now go one layer deeper.
Well,
what is the AI going to be powered by?
What is powering this technology? Well,
right now it's being powered by computer
chips because in order to do this AI
computing, you need powerful computers.
Well, the next generation of computer
chips, which we don't have yet, could be
something called quantum computers. And
a quantum computer is essentially a
supercomput to the 10,000th power on
steroids.
that a a typical computer like so and I
don't want to get too technical but a a
typical computer that we have today can
solve one math problem a second that's
just the way that it works but what a
quantum computer can do is it can solve
multiple problems per second so a 64-bit
computer that we have today which exists
that can solve one problem a second a 64
cq-bit computer can solve if I remember
the numbers correctly. I think it's 18
quintilion
problems a second.
>> Wow.
>> What does that mean? A quantum computer
can solve what a normal computer would
take hundreds of years to do.
That same problem could be solved in a
matter of seconds. It's
>> insane.
>> It is. We're not there yet, but there
are companies that are investing in it.
If that happens,
some of those companies could make a lot
of money.
>> Mhm.
>> Well, let's keep going another layer
deeper, right? We're going down the
onion. So we talked about the first
layer which is the AI maybe quantum.
What about the third layer? If if I have
a AI company or I have AI, I have data.
And as much as we want to talk about
privacy, the reality is if you have a a
smartphone, you have data that's in the
cloud. Well, the cloud isn't in the
clouds. The cloud is actually in a
physical building called a data center.
So, as AI starts to gather more data,
because anytime you ask Chad GPT a
question, whether it's a guacamole
recipe or it's something, write me this
email, that data is being stored
somewhere and that data is being stored
in a data center. And that could also
create an investment opportunity because
now as we start to have more data being
processed, as more people use AI, more
data is being created every single
second. So now data centers are now
booming because of that. In fact, I was
just reading that there are some
companies looking at putting data
centers on the moon now as a way to
diversify. And that's how crazy it's
getting that we're looking for new ways
to put data centers outside of the
earth. We could take it now one layer
deeper in the onion, right? So, we
talked about data centers, but those
data centers have to be powered too
because those data centers need energy.
those uh data centers that are keeping
all this stuff use a lot of power and
there are specific companies that are
powering those data centers and these
companies are trying to be as innovative
as possible of how can we now power the
data center for as low cost as possible
and somebody is going to win that race
and the one that wins that race is going
to make a lot of money that can create
an investment opportunity. Let's take it
one layer deeper in this onion.
That data center has to be kept at a
specific temperature because they have
all these computer parts in there that
get hot.
>> I mean, if you if you use a computer,
you know, you get that sound, it gets
hot. Well, if that data center starts to
overheat,
>> it is going to malfunction and no AI
company, no tech company wants to lose
it. I mean, it would be a disaster.
So these data center companies are
investing heavily into data center
cooling, which is a whole new industry
of companies.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, one of those companies is going to
be the most efficient. They're going to
be the most innovative. And they're
going to be the best one, the the one
that everybody wants to use. Well,
they're going to have the opportunity to
make a lot of money as well. And so this
is what smart investors are doing is,
you know, when people think about AI,
oh, I want to invest in this AI stock.
>> Well, that's the first layer of the
onion. But what savvy investors are
doing is they're pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe
pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe
pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe
pe pe pe pe pe peeling that layer back
and they're trying to think two years
down the road 5 years down the road and
what are all the things that are
impacted by that artificial intelligence
now you can invest in the individual
companies there are funds that can give
you exposure to to artificial
intelligence but the whole idea is
understanding I mean this is investing
101 is understanding where the money is
moving
>> and that's where the opportunity will be
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>> How should someone who's a university
graduate right now, a young person
prepare for an AIdriven economy? What
should they be thinking about? You
better learn it. You better. It is
inevitable. At first, you know, I'm one
of those guys. I hate to say this, but
I'm one of those guys that kind of has
always fought technology. I was very
anti smartphone for a long time. I was
very anti-touchscreen phone for a long
time. Uh I still don't really understand
how to use Netflix. My wife is the the
lead on that. And I was kind of like,
you know, with AI, I was like, this is
cool. We'll see where this goes. And as
I started to learn about it more and
more and I started to use it in my own
business, I started to realize, oh my
god, this is not one of those things
that I can just kind of sit on
because
the internet changed the world
quickly. And the companies that
understood the internet
were able to grow very fast. And the
companies that didn't failed.
Blockbuster bankrupt. Sears bankrupt.
Well, AI is doing the same thing at a
much bigger level at a much faster rate,
but our minds haven't gotten faster. And
that's what makes it very unique because
humanity can only evolve as fast as we
can evolve. I mean, our minds can only
grow at a certain rate. Technology keeps
growing exponentially faster. So when
the internet started to grow, we thought
it was extremely fast. I mean over the
course of 2000 to 2010, we saw a lot of
companies that were not getting involved
with the internet getting wiped out.
Well, chat GPT did not exist 5 years
ago.
And here we are today in 2025 and you
have a lot of companies that have
replaced workers with AI. and and and
sure there's a lot of companies that
have not started adopting it yet, but
the companies that are savvy have
started integrating AI in some way,
shape, or form. I mean, I I have a
YouTube channel in Spanish. I'll give
you an example. And what I used to do is
we used to take my videos, send it to a
person who would then write down my
script, and then he would record it or
he would translate it, and then he would
record it. He would give us the audio
recording and then we would take the
audio recording and impose it onto that
video. I mean this was the process. I'm
sure you've done something similar and
then that would get published and that's
what we did for a long time.
>> Then came AI. You take the YouTube URL,
you put it into this thing, you press
enter and 15 seconds later it's a video
dubbed in Spanish in my voice
at a fraction of the price
>> and speed.
>> Insane.
>> You don't have to rely on somebody else.
this guy's on vacation, I have to wait
for him to come back for vacation. Or if
I'm doing an interview with somebody
else and I need two voice editors, I
mean, it it was just it it was difficult
and expensive. Now with AI, it's not
like that. So, we're talking about in
just a few years, we've gotten to where
we are today, and we're not even at the
goal of what AI wants to be. The goal
with AI is
AGI, artificial general intelligence.
And if you read what OpenAI has
published on their website, they say
that their goal is to build a smarter
artificial general intelligence for
humankind. Meta has said the same thing.
I mean, pretty much any AI executive has
made it explicitly clear that their goal
is not artificial intelligence. It's
AGI.
And what AGI is, it's an AI that will do
the work for you. So, let's say I wanted
to start a a guacamole business, right?
I I like
I like food. I'm just a food person.
>> So, if I go to AI and I say I want to
start this business, it can give me some
recipes and I can say, you know, you can
do uh you need to file an LLC. You
should go fi find an assistant and you
should find a place to build your
recipes and things like that. If I ask
that same question to AGI,
the results are very different. Instead
of telling me what I need to do, AGI
will go out and actually file my LLC for
me. It will go out and sign a lease for
me to rent my warehouse. It will go out
and hire me a team. It'll hire me an
exist an executive assistant to run the
business for me.
>> You'll probably hire an AI exist
>> and it'll hire the AI to do that work.
>> That's what's every AI company is
working for. And the first company to
get there is going to be the one that is
going to be making all that money.
And if you don't understand that, you're
going to be left behind. So if you're
out of college, you have to learn about
AI. I don't care what industry that
you're in, learn how to use it. Because,
you know, a lot of people talk about
there's not going to be need for human
workers. I don't necessarily agree with
that.
>> Yeah, I agree with you.
>> But there's not going to be a need for
people that don't really understand how
to use AI. And so you need to understand
how to use it to make your work better,
to make your work more efficient.
because
you might not be replaced with AI but
you'll be replaced by somebody who
understands AI and I know at our company
when we hire I don't care what the
position is even our customer service
reps we ask them how do you use AI what
do you understand about AI because we
want to know how you are thinking and if
you are out of college you are in a I
mean this and people look at it as a big
con and a big hindrance
But for the savvy, it's a huge
opportunity because most people have no
idea. They don't know anything beyond
chat GPT and all they use chat GPT for
is the very basic stuff of how do I
write an email or analyze this for me.
But if you can start to research it and
there's a lot of free resources on
YouTube.
>> Yeah. What would you recommend for
someone who's like, I really want to
learn AI this year. I want to give, you
know, a couple of hours a week to do it.
Maybe a couple of hours a day because
I'm really excited about it. where where
do they start?
>> Start with YouTube. I mean, YouTube's
got so much free content out there and
and learn something and it's free for
you to try it. Go on to Chad GPT. Go on
to YouTube and learn what can I use AI
for? And you're going to see all these
crazy stuff. Just start to go down some
rabbit hole that can align with your
career. So, if you're a dentist, how can
I use AI in a dentistry office? If you
are an engineer, how do I use it as an
engineer? If you are a construction
worker, how can construction workers use
uh AI? I mean, there was a that thing
that I was reading about window washers.
This is not a techsavvy industry,
but it was talking about how there's a
business of people now that are building
AI tools for window washers saying,
"Hey, when you have to go and clean
people's windows, how do you know which
house to go to first?
If you can have an AI tool to build that
route for you, you can save time and do
more houses in a day. And if you can use
that same AI tool to help you give
quotes that are more realistic to
maintain your profit margin without you
necessarily having to go to every single
house. Now you can give more quotes that
are more accurate and spend less time
doing it. So if you want to edge as a
window washer, use AI. If you want to
edge as a real estate agent, use AI. I
mean, in real estate,
there was if you want to help sell a
house, you want the house to be
furnished. You want it to have the nice
furniture so people can imagine their
themselves living there. Well, it's
expensive to furnish a house. But what
if you can take a virtual tour of a
house because somebody can take a video
of it and you can use AI to superimpose
the furniture in the house. Now,
somebody can imagine themselves living
in that house with a virtual tour where
they don't have to go to the house and
it costs you a fraction of the cost of
actually furnishing it, which means that
you can find more of that potential
buyer faster, easier if you can show
them how they could potentially live
there. Again, it's not replacing the
need for them to go there,
>> but it's making it easier for them to
>> decide if they want it or not.
>> Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I've seen the AI
that lets you try on things when you're
online shopping for your
>> avatar to see it, for you to see it,
whether it's purchasing something.
>> It's it's incredible just how much it's
speeding up decision making. Purchase
again, which means again going back to
your original point where we started is
you're either going to become the
consumer
>> Yeah.
>> or the investor and the user
>> 100%
>> because we are all going to consume
based off of AI because it's going to
make it easier to spend more.
>> Absolutely. Yeah.
>> And the people that understand it, it's
going to the internet made some people
wealthier. It made it easier for
everyone else to spend money, right? It
started off with, oh, you can just spend
money without driving to the store.
Well, then it became the one-click
purchase and because Amazon realized
that for every time you had to click a
button to get to the checkout page, they
lost about 50% of buyers. So, they said,
"How about we just create the one-click
purchase?
That way, it's so easy to buy." Then
came buy now pay later online. So you go
to the purchase. Don't you don't even
need the money to buy anymore. Just hit
buy and we'll figure out how to get your
payments later. Now with AI, it's going
to know what you want before you know
what you want
>> and it will be presented to you and the
people that don't understand how to
control their finances
are going to be spending their money
much faster. the people that understand
this are going to be able to gather that
money much faster.
So, it's what side of the game do you
want to be on? And it goes back to the
financial education, which we're never
taught.
>> It's great master class. It's fantastic.
Really great, man.
>> I appreciate it, man. The world is the
world is changing.
>> So simple. No, but the world is
changing. It's changing fast. But what I
really appreciate about talking to you
is you make it so simple and you make it
applicable for everyone. And I hope
everyone who's been listening and
watching today has a road map. I feel
like they have the steps that they need
to take to improve their financial
well-being and that they're supported in
that because it's such a systematic
process and it doesn't matter how much
or how little you have. It feels like
you've given people a real blueprint to
start with. The reason why I wanted to
do this is because I was actually
reading a statistic um right when your
team emailed me, which was we know that
somewhere between 50 to 70% of Americans
are living paycheck to paycheck. And
then I was reading a statistic that said
72% of Americans have Netflix.
What that told me
is that the average American is spending
more money on Netflix than they are on
their investments.
And that's a problem
that should be flipped. It should be way
beyond flipped.
And it's what are we prioritizing? And
the the reality is the reason why so
many people do that is because we just
don't know there's an alternative.
And that's what we're on the mission to
do is to help help people be better with
money
because it costs money to eat. It costs
money to feed other people. And unless
you learn,
you are going to be the person making
everybody else rich and never wondering,
never understanding
why, why, how come I can't ever have
freedom? How come I can't ever have
those nice things? How come I can't ever
do that stuff that everybody else is
doing? But it starts with your mindset.
It starts with that financial education.
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>> Okay. Amazing. Just really, thank you so
much for your time, your energy. I
learned so much. I hope that you keep
coming back on the show again and again
to give great insights and I'm so
excited for everyone to go and make
better investments. This is my actual
hope for people after this. Please do
not sleep on this advice. Please go and
subscribe to Market Briefs. Please go
and figure out how to invest $1. That's
all I want you to do to actually go and
do it so that you get into the practice.
We were talking about waiting around for
a long time. And the third is go and
really make sure you make those three
bank accounts. thought that was a
brilliant piece of advice to actually
have your savings, your investment, and
your spending money. Those three
actionable items from this episode will
transform your financial well-being. And
of course, there was so many more
insights that Jasp gave that I hope
change your life and change your
family's life as well. So, yeah, thank
you, man.
>> Well, thank you, Jay. You know, it's
always a pleasure to be on with you.
>> Uh we got to bring you to Detroit
sometime. Absolutely. And you know, the
small changes add up.
>> So, get started. It doesn't matter where
you are, it adds up. And I'm going to
give one last stat because as you said
that I was like, oh, you know, I should
say this.
>> If you can invest $4 a day from the day
you turn 21 until the day you turn 65
and you just invest your money into the
markets, you will retire a millionaire.
$4 a day. That's something that I think
everyone in a first world country can
strive to do. Regardless of where you
are, it's possible. Just get started.
>> Well, amazing, man. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you so much for listening to this
conversation. If you enjoyed it, you'll
love my chat with Adam Grant on why
discomfort is the key to growth and the
strategies for unlocking your hidden
potential. If you know you want to be
more and achieve more this year, go
check it out right now.
>> You set a goal today, you achieve it in
six months, and then by the time it
happens, it's almost a relief. [music]
There's no sense of meaning and purpose.
You sort of expected it and you would
have been disappointed if it didn't
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[music] [music] If someone's living paycheck to paycheck, what's the very first step they can take to break that cycle? >> Yeah. One of the most unfortunate things about money is we use money every single day. It costs money to eat. It costs money to feed other people. We go to work to earn money. Yet, most of us are never taught a thing about money. And so what happens to so many people is we go to school to get a good job and now we go and get an income and then we go and spend money and that recipe is a disaster. Just statistically the majority of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. And by majority it depends on which study you read. It's somewhere between 55% and some people say as high as 78% of Americans have no money left over for a gift, a vacation, let alone an investment after I just pay my basic necessities. [sighs] And now the problem and question everyone has is why and how do I get out? And in order to get out, because that's your question, you have to understand the why. Because the reality, and this is going to sound harsh, but I learned this the hard way. Our system is so rigged for the rich and the financially savvy. But we're never taught to be financially savvy. What do I mean? When you understand money, it's much easier for you to get that money and grow that money. When you don't understand it, you're the one that's making everybody else rich. So, in this system where you are working to make money and spend money, you're working to make everybody else rich except yourself. Why? Because the majority of America and really the world now is I make money and I spend money. And every dollar you spend is a dollar going into somebody else's pocket. And in our society, we live in what's called a creditbased economy. What that means is if I make $100 from my job, I have the ability to spend that $100 plus more thanks to Visa, Amx, Mastercard, Discover, and all the other forms of debt out there. And so if I go out and spend $100, I'm going to make you $100 richer. If I spend $100 plus $50 on my credit card, I just made you $150 richer. And so when we live in a society that's built around spending, but more specifically, credit based spending, and you don't have that that shield, that financial education, that financial savviness to know what to do with your money. Well, now every corporation in the world, every bank in the world is going to hire the smartest marketers, the smartest MBAs to get you to spend your money there because that's going to make them rich. And you are going to work just to pay bills, just to make them rich. And now you never have a chance to get ahead. So this system is designed this way. Now, how do you get out? And the way you get out, we can break it up into multiple steps now. And it starts with step number one, building the right mindset. So I'm going to break it up into seven steps. Step number one is the mindset. And when it comes to mindset, there are four different layers of this mindset that you have to understand. Number one is I will become wealthy. Number two is money is abundant. Number three is money is a tool. Number four, it's it's my duty to become wealthy. And the reason why I say that is a lot of us grow up with some sort of money trauma, some sort of money negativity. And people say poverty is generational. Well, it's not that we have a gene in our DNA saying you're going to be poor. What it is is you grow up hearing money is bad, money is evil, we don't have enough money, that's too much money, we can't afford that. We hear these types of things growing up. And so we start to normalize those things that, oh, okay, as a kid, I can't afford that trip to Disneyland. I can't afford these nice things that I want. And then as you start to get older, you start to have kids yourself. What happens when your kids want nice things? We can't afford that. That's too much money. That that's beyond what we have. So that gets passed down. It's that that mindset that gets passed down. So the first step is you need to change the way you talk and say, "I will become wealthy." And I did a little exercise. I used to guest teach in Detroit public schools. And it was a very tough school district, very rough school district. And I would talk to these kids about money. And I think we talked about this on our last podcast, but one of the things I would ask them is, "What is your dream car?" [gasps] And many people would have dream cars of things like a Ford Focus or a Dodge Challenger. And I would say, "Why not a Bugatti? Why not a Rolls-Royce?" And the answer that I would get is somebody like me from my background could never have a nice car like that. So when you tell yourself I can't, I guarantee you can't. Which is why you have to start saying I will become wealthy. Number two is money is a tool. Many people are scared to talk about money because we're insecure about our own money. But the reality is money is a tool that can amplify who you are. You give a good person more money, they have a tool to do more good. You give a bad person more money, they have a tool to do more bad. Which is why we need more good people with money and understanding that hey, you know what? It is just a tool that can allow you to do more things to take better care of your family, your kids, your parents, and your community. Yeah. I think the challenge is we look at how much we're worth as a sign of how much we are worth, right? Like there's that idea of we're almost looking at it. The reason we're uncomfortable or insecure talking about money is because in some way we believe society values us based on how much we make. And suddenly we may have started to value ourselves that way as well. Well, this is 100% true. And just take a look at it from Instagram. Instagram has become a highlight reel. I'm going to show my best self. But we often don't look at it as somebody else's highlight reel. We look at it as somebody else's average. And now, let's say you're in a relationship. Uh, your wife is now on Instagram and she sees, "Oh my god, this couple's going to Cancun. Oh my god, look at this nice house that this couple has. Oh my, look at the car he just got her. What's going to happen? Hey, hub's husband, how come we can't have these nice things? What are we doing wrong? How come we we feel the sense of like I'm missing out?" And so now we go back to my money is my worth. But that's not true. Money is one part of our lives. And you have to understand that more money will allow you to fulfill the financial part of your life, which is important. But the only way you get there is by getting on the same page about money and building that separation between the emotional side of money and the logic side of money. And that can be difficult because often times, especially when we're struggling with money, we're thinking emotionally. Why is it that the casinos are in the poorest neighborhoods? Why is it that all these stores are designed to profit off of people that don't have money? It's because when you don't have money, man, it is easy to say, "Hey, let me give you a dopamine hit. Buy this nice pair of shoes. Buy this Gucci purse. buy this whatever thing to the people that can least afford it because it gives you that emotional rush that oh [gasps] that spending therapy. But that's the same thing that's keeping you broke. You look rich. You feel better for the moment and then you have to pay it back plus interest. And in the beginning of this podcast, I said our system is designed to profit off of people that don't understand this. Well, the reality is our system is designed to profit off of keeping you poor. And it's going to sound harsh, but the reality is banks profit when you are in debt. The more debt you are in, the more money they make. Corporations profit when you spend money. The more you spend, the more they make. The government profits when you are financially uneducated because now you're going to pay the highest taxes and you're going to be stuck relying on the government. when in reality when you become financially educated you can pay less money in taxes legally and not need those same services per se from the government. That's why the financial education is so important. But the only way you can get there is if you can separate the emotional side from the logic side. And it starts with that mindset. >> Money is a tool. >> Money is a tool. >> Yeah. >> And then it's number three. Money is abundant. This one is is is a tough one, but it is one of the most powerful tools to become financially successful. Let's say now you make $50,000 a year and you start to watch some financial education content on YouTube and you're like, "Oh, wow. I like this idea to invest my money." And you become extremely aggressive and you find a way to live off of $40,000 and invest $10,000 a year. [gasps] Well, what happens to a lot of people in that situation is you say, "You know what, Jaspit? I want to do more of this. I want to be more of an investor because I can see that light at the end of the tunnel. I'm going to live now instead of off of $40,000 a year, I'm going to live off of $38,000 a year and put aside 12,000. Then maybe I live off of $37,000. I'm going to invest 13,000." This is a scarcity mindset way of thinking because you think that there's a limited pie and you can just squeeze more pennies out of the pie. I mean, everybody on the internet talks about why you need to stop thinking straw Starbucks so you can have $5 more to invest. Well, let's flip that just a little bit. You make $50,000 a year. You're saving and investing $10,000. But what if now you work to earn $500,000 a year? And if you were going to save and invest that same percentage of your income, that means now you can save and invest $100,000 a year. Now, the first time you hear that, your response is probably going to be just you are out of your mind. My boss is not going to 10x my income. How am I supposed to go from 50 grand to $500,000 a year? Are you, you know, bad word? Well, I want you to take a step back. What did we just say? I will become wealthy. Money is a tool. Money is abundant. There's a lot of money in the world. A lot of money. There are some people that make whatever you make in a month. There are people that make whatever you make in a week. There are people that make whatever you make in a day. And there's probably people that make whatever you're making in an hour. If you start to reframe the way you look at money, now you can start doing different things. Maybe you start watching more YouTube videos on how do you earn more money. Maybe you start to read books about it. And maybe you don't get to $500,000 a year, but maybe you get 80% of the way there, 50% of the way there. It's still a lot further and you will never get there unless you start thinking about money in terms of abundance. And finally, it is my duty to become wealthy. In the sik religion, um we have three main values. I'm not here to preach anything, but there are three main fundamental tenants, which means remember God, serve others before you serve yourself, and earn an honest living. It is in my belief your duty to become financially successful so you can take better care of yourself, better take care of your family and take better care of your community. And once you can understand these things and change the way you think, it's not easy, but if you can work on that, listen to your podcast, listen to the other stuff out there, now you can move on to step number two, which is learn the rules of money. And again, I know we're getting into the theoretical stuff right after this. We'll talk about the practical side of what do you actually do with your money. But you have to learn the rules of money because one of the things that I learned is that wealthy people understand that money is a game and every single person is playing this money game. >> Mhm. >> But the way that wealthy people are playing the money games are very different than everybody else. >> The average person thinks about money and how you attract that money is I have to go to work and I have to earn this money. I have to I have to work hard to get this money. Now, you do have to work hard. There's no way around that. But the way that wealthy people and financially savvy people think about money is I'm going to work hard not to make the money, but own an asset. >> And this asset is going to make me more money. I'm going to work to own the the things that will keep paying me even after I stop working. And that is a completely different different way of thinking because the average person is thinking if I can make a little bit more money, I'm going to drive a better car. If I can make a little bit more money, I'm going to buy a better house. If I could get a bonus, I'm going to go on a vacation. If I could get a nice raise, I'm going to buy my wife a nice purse. We think in terms of spending. Wealthy people think in terms of investments. And there's three rules of money that I learned that you have to understand. Number one is that money flows to the investor. When I go to Chipotle and I and I buy a bowl of extra guac, who am I benefiting? Am I really supporting the employees? Yes, in a way, because I will be paying their salary, but the the real profits are going to the owners of Chipotle. It's going to the investors of Chipotle. Money rule number two is inflation benefits the investor. What does that mean? Over the last 5 years, we've seen the prices of things rise. This is because of inflation. Inflation didn't just start after the pandemic. It's been happening for a long long long time. And so you might have heard your grandparents or parents say, "When I was young, I used to go to the movie theater for a nickel, a dollar, whatever it might be. Now it's $25 to go to a movie." This is inflation. So now when you spend those more dollars at Chipotle who's getting those more dollars, it's the owners of Chipotle, the investors. And then finally is our system is designed to benefit the investor. As a licensed attorney, who's not your attorney, I can tell you that when you earn your money as an investor, you are going to pay a lower tax rate than when you earn your money as an employee. That's why it is so important to understand the rules of money because our entire system is designed to make the financially savvy wealthier while everybody else is paying the price. I'll give you one more example. When I was in law school, I learned about this concept called fiduciary duty. And what I didn't understand and what I learned is that the CEO of a company, your boss, has a fiduciary duty to make one person rich. Do you know who that is? It's not the employees at the company. It's not the customers at the company. It is the owners of the company, the investors in the company. The CEO has to make decisions to make the investors rich. And we're never taught to become an investor. We're taught to become an employee. Now, it's not bad to work a job. That's not what I'm saying. In fact, that's probably the best thing for most people. What I'm saying is you have to understand that when you go to work, you now have to take some of that money and become an investor. Now when you do that, now you can start to get into the practical steps of what you do with your money. >> Yeah. >> So we talked about now step number one is you have to build the mindset. Now you have to learn the rules of money. Now we get into the practical side, which is step number three. Get out of the financial danger zone. And what I mean by that is the very first thing you have to do is save $2,000 as fast as possible. >> Just 2,000. >> Just start with 2,000 as a start and then pay off your credit card debt. Half of America today does not have $1,000 put aside to protect them against emergency. So if your car breaks down, your kid gets sick, your window breaks, the average person has to go into debt to pay for that expense. You have zero breathing room. If you want to go on vacation, you want to do anything, you have to go into debt to do that. So we need to stop that. I call this the financial danger zone. You need to save $2,000 as fast as possible. And the way you can do that is by spending less or working to earn more. And you have to make some extreme sacrifice if you don't have that. >> Do you know what people are wasting the most amount of money on right now in in the United States? Is there any research on that? >> Oh man. [laughter] Well, if you are somebody who does not have $2,000 saved up, there's a lot of things you got to cut out. And this is going to sound mean, but I don't say what I say to make friends. I say what I say to help people be better with money. You should not be eating at a restaurant. You should not be going on vacations. You should not be driving around in a fancy car. You shouldn't be living in a big fancy house right now. You got to make some extreme sacrifices if you don't have $2,000. So much so that what I tell people is you should not have a Netflix subscription. Not because it's going to save you $15 a month, but because the average American is watching somewhere between two to three hours of Netflix a day. If you don't have $2,000, how can you feel comfortable sitting there at night time watching whatever the heck is on Netflix? You have to have a little bit of urgency that, oh my god, I got to take care of my family. So, whatever you can cut back on, do it. And then once you get that $2,000, pay off your high interest credit card debts. Because when you are in that situation where you have those high interest debts, you are trying to climb a mountain with a,000 lbs of chain strapped to your back. You're never going to get to the next step because anytime you get some money, you got to pay it back off. In fact, let me give you an example, Jay. If I gave you $6,500 today and you invested that money today, you never touched that money again, you never invested another penny again, and you could get a, let's say, 20% return a year on that money, in 40, 45 years, you're going to retire very wealthy. You're not going to have a million, $5 million, $10 million, $50 million. you're going to have closer to $60 million off of that one investment of the $6,400 $6,500 that I give you today. Now, you're going to say, "All right, sign me up, Josh. Put it give me that money and where do I invest it?" >> Well, here's the reality. Do you know who's getting those returns? Amex, Visa, Mastercard, Discover. And do you know who's paying it? You. M >> if you have credit card debt. And so instead of you having that wealth, you are the one that's paying for their private jets. You are the one that's paying for their big buildings. You are the one that's paying for their luxuries. Which is why I get so serious about this that if you want to become wealthy, you have to you have to you have to get out of this financial danger zone. Once you get there, now we can get to the next step. Step number four. This is where things not get fun because you finally have a little bit of a foundation. [gasps] Now you can create a system for your money. The difference between wealthy people and everybody else is wealthy people know what they're going to do with their money before they earn it. Everybody else gets the money and then they wonder, well, what should I do? How should I spend this money? And this is where it is very helpful to have a a system for your money. One that I teach is a 751510 plan [snorts] which says for every dollar that you earn from here on out.75 is the maximum that you can spend. 15 cents is the minimum that you invest. 10 cents is the minimum that you save. This way whether you're earning $30,000 a year, $300,000 a year, or $3 million a year, you're always going to have a rule of how much you can save, invest, and spend. and break that down for us again. >> 75 15 10. So the way I'd like you to do this is I want you to open three bank accounts and you're going to make money. Money gets deposited into one bank account. Create an automatic withdrawal and deposit. That money gets pulled out of one bank account and 15% goes into your bank account holding your investment money. 10% goes into your bank account holding your savings money. The reason why you want to have three different bank accounts is because if you have $100 in one bank account and you think, "This is my investing money and my saving money. You go into the store and you see this nice sweater on sale. It's $90. I have $100 in my bank account. Well, I should be able to afford it, right?" Well, you forget that some of that money is supposed to be saved and invested. And then you pay taxes on that sweater. And now you spent $989 on that sweater. And oops, I just spent my savings and my investment money. which is why you need the three different bank accounts. Your savings are not going to make you wealthy. This is a big lie that we've been sold. Your savings are there to protect you. Your investments are there to make you wealthy. And that spending money is what you pay for your house, your groceries, your vacations, and everything else. Now, we move on to the next step is how do you spend your money smartly? And this is where things start to get a little bit painful, but this is where you can really accelerate your wealth. You know how to spend your money now. You have a good system. Now, when it comes to actually accelerating your wealth, you got to spend your money smartly. And what I mean by that is no more financing things that don't put money in your pocket. And then follow the rule of five when it comes to luxuries. So, when it comes to no more financing things, it's very normal. You want to buy the new iPhone, why would you pay $1,1200, put it in $50 a month, 0% APR? It's free money. Why wouldn't you take it? Well, let me ask you a question. If I walked into the bank today and I said, "Give me a $1,000 loan at 0% APR." What are they going to say? Heck no. There's a door. Why is it that somebody's willing to offer me 0% APR? Not just somebody, a very profitable corporation. Because they know how to make money off of you with a 0% APR. Why? Because at 0% APR, number one, it's going to make it much easier for you to buy the new iPhone more often. Number two, you don't feel the pain of $1,000 leaving your bank account. It's just $50 a month. Number three, when you buy the new phone, well, now they can sell you the new AirPods, the new charger, the new case for it. And then number four, they know that a lot of people are not going to pay it off in time and now they're going to slap on that 15, 20, 25% interest, which then makes them even wealthier, which is why you should not be financing things even at 0% APR. If it doesn't put money in your pocket, do not finance it. The only exception is the house that you live in. [sighs and gasps] And then my rule of five, if you can't buy five of them, you can't afford one of them, [laughter] especially for luxuries. >> That's a good rule. So, you want to buy a nice $1,000 watch, you better have $5,000. So, >> of disposable income, >> of extra money. >> Yeah. >> Now, we can get into the next step, which is how do you earn more money? The step number six, because now we know how to create a system with your money. You know that I'm going to do 75, 15, 10. I know how to spend my money. Now, let me earn more money. And this is the part that many people get flipped because they assume that I just got to make some more money. Well, if you make more money without knowing what to do with that money, you make more money, then you make other people rich with it because you just go and spend it. This is where now it is important for you to figure out how can you earn more money. Maybe you ask for a raise at your job. Maybe you get a second job. Maybe you create your own business. Maybe you learn how to utilize artificial intelligence. You find ways to earn more money. But you keep following that system, the 75, 15, 10. And that's the key is as you earn more money, you keep investing more money because that's what's going to make you wealthy. And then finally at the top step number seven is you have to protect your assets. And there's two parts to this. Number one is you got to understand the legal side. That means understanding taxes because taxes can be one of the biggest expenses that you have to pay. You have to understand how do you pass this wealth down? How do you put shields around you? Because when people realize you have money, they're going to want some of it for themselves. And this also means how do you give back? How do you help others? How are you going to leave a legacy for yourself and your family? That's now wealth planning. And so we talked about now kind of the whole progression of these seven steps. But it starts with that mental side of understanding the mindset. Then you got to understand the framework of the rules of money. Then we start with the basics of saving the 2,000, paying off the credit card debt. Then you build a system for your money. From there, once you have the system, you have to know how to spend your money the right way. Then you have to learn how to earn more money the right way. Then you learn how to manage your wealth, grow your wealth, and pass on your wealth. >> Yeah, that is a really brilliant system. I mean, that's a masterclass truly because >> I call it the climb to wealth. >> Yeah, it's brilliant. It's so great. And I love that it goes from I love that you start with the mindset and then switch into the practicals of money because if you taught all the practical stuff and people didn't have the mindset, you'll make mistakes and you'll actually put your money in the wrong places. And if you only have the philosophy and the mindset and don't have the practicals, well then it's just a nice idea. On eBay, every find has a story. Like if you're looking for a vintage band tea, not just a tea, the band from the last show your favorite band ever played. You wore it everywhere. Then your best friend started wearing it, which was cute until they unfriended you and took it with them, which was not so cool. Anyway, now you're on eBay and there it is. 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So, I talk about investing a lot. That's that is my focus is the financial side of what do you do with that money and so uh I was actually just doing a conversation with somebody about this where a lot of people who end up in a tough financial situation whatever it might be maybe you have debts you have expenses you have you're in a situation where money is tight you go into the internet and now you start to hear about this topic called passive income and now you think wow if I could just have some more money coming in passive ly I could pay all my bills and no longer have to worry about money. But that's not how it works. Investing and everything that I'm talking about when it comes to growing your wealth is when you have extra money that you don't need and you throw it into this investment. You throw it into this asset that is going to then grow and make you more money. It is not fast, but if you do it right, it works and it can make you wealthy. And that's how that works. >> Mhm. >> Your question was, "How can somebody start to earn more money fast?" And the first thing that you can do, ask your boss for a raise. But don't do it with the way most people do it. Because what most people will say is, "Hey boss, I've been working here for a long time. Can I get an extra $5,000 a year, $10,000 a year, whatever it might be?" [gasps] And well, what your boss is probably going to say is, "No, because I'm going to pay you to do the same thing." No. Instead, I want you to think about it from their perspective. The fastest way for you to make more money at your job is to make your boss more money. And if you can show them, hey, I'm going to make you an extra $20,000 a year. You pay me an extra $10,000 a year. Now, they will probably say yes because you are adding more value to them. How can you do that? It's going to depend on your position. But find a way to add more value and go to them and say, "Hey, look, here's what I'm going to do. Here's how much more revenue I'm going to drive. Here's how much more money I'm going to make you. I just want a piece of what I'm going to make you." Some people are going to say and say, "Wow, I like that idea." Others are going to say, "Screw that. I don't want to make my boss richer." Okay, then well, you can try to do something for yourself. And today AI is probably not probably it is the biggest opportunity that we have at our fingertips. It is growing faster than the rate of the internet. It's growing faster than the adoption of blockchain. And most people think that AI is how do I go on to chat and search guacamole recipes. But if you can understand AI, you can get ahead of the curve and solve a problem for many businesses or people with money. Help them understand it. Help them use it. And in exchange, you charge them money to do that. And there's so many ways to do it. I mean, this is going to get into how do you actually make money? How do you build a business? But if you can find a pain point, for example, dentists have a pain point which is that patients don't show up for their services. Well, you can use AI to help solve that painoint. What can you do if you can show these dental offices, hey, let me build you an AI tool that will automatically text your patients when they have an appointment and it will say, if you can't make it, click this button. If they can't make it and you click the button, your AI tool will then work to find somebody else who's on the waiting list to come in and fill that slot. Well, now all of a sudden, you helped that dentist office fill more of the slots, have less vacancies, and make more money. And then you could take it one step further. After they're done with a procedure, send out an automatic text message saying, "Did you like your service? How was it? If you enjoyed it, give us a fivestar review on Google." which is going to help drive more patients for the dentist office. And so that's the thing is people assume I'm just going to go teach AI. I'm going to go help. It's too broad. Get specific. There are every business in the world should be using AI to some way, shape, or form. Most people have no idea how it works. If you have some time, study it, learn, and if you can figure out a one pain point, go out and solve it for one person. Let there be a testimonial for the second. Let there be a testimonial for the third. And now all of a sudden, you're in business. >> Yeah. I love I love I love the first piece of advice as well. And I think there's three types of people that ask for a raise. The first person just asks for a raise, as you said. They're like, oh, can I get some more money? And it's like, well, you're doing the same exact thing. Why would I pay you? The second type of person shows you everything they've done in the past and ask for a raise. And the person again goes, "Well, that's great, but you did that anyway." >> Yeah. >> And then the third type of person goes, "This is what I want to do." Which is what you're saying, which is like, "Hey, here's I'm going to make you 10,000, 20,000% more, whatever it may be in your position." And that third type of person is the person who gets the raise because you're now investing, >> right, >> as an employer in what you hope is something that's valuable to you if it's a win-win. >> If you work a job, you have to know how you're making money for your company. Yeah, >> if you don't spend this weekend figuring that out because unless you understand how you drive revenue for your business, you are just a a piece of space. And I say this as nice as possible because we're talking about AI. AI is getting smarter. It is getting more advanced. I mean, CATBT did not exist 5 years ago. It is getting more advanced every single day. And you know, there's a lot of talk about people being replaced by AI, which is true, but the bigger threat to that is you being replaced by somebody who knows how to use AI. >> Yeah. >> And so, if you don't understand how you're driving revenue for your business, [snorts] well, there's a chance that there's a missing link between what you're doing as a job and what the business needs from what you are there to do. >> Yeah. >> And that's what we got to figure out. And even with your second part of the answer which is like how do you learn to use AI for something? It is people who start with problems like trying to figure out a problem that you can help solve. >> Mhm. >> That is really where it is. I think often we sit there we go I want to come up with a really cool idea. >> Yeah. >> And it's like every cool idea was only cool because it solved a good problem. If it didn't solve a problem it wasn't a cool idea. And so if you are close to a problem like sometimes people think also I want to go do something that I enjoy and love and that's great and and wonderful if it works out but it's like there's something that you know in your career path. >> Yeah. >> Because you're close to it. I have a friend funnily enough you talked about dentistry. I have a friend who's a dentist. He just understands the dental industry better because he's been so close to it for so many years. It's not his passion. It's not what he loves. It's not what he enjoys. But he's been able to build solutions for dental practices that allows him to make more money than even being a dentist. And again, it comes back down to what you just said, which is start where you are. Start where you understand problems. You don't have to go and learn some new industry and figure something out because I think that can feel quite overwhelming sometimes to think, "Oh god, I don't know anything about what's happening in the world." you got to know your your skill set as well, but I think you nailed it on the head with that problem side because I looked as you were talking I was kind of smiling cuz I was looking back at my life and I was like everything that I've kind of done sort of successfully was because there was some problem that I was trying to solve. My first kind of reals I don't want to say first but one of my earlier more successful businesses was an e-commerce company. It was a waterresistant sock. And this is I mean it goes so beyond what we're talking about. But I came up with this idea because I was in school. I was in college taking a public speaking class and they gave us an assignment to pitch a product to the class kind of like Shark Tank or Dragon's Den. >> And I procrastinated. I put it off. And one day it was raining for class and I ran to class. I stepped in a puddle. I got to class and the teacher's like, "It's your day to present." And I said, "Present what?" She's like, "The product." And I said, "Oh crap." I'm standing in front of class, my heart is beating, my socks are wet. And I started talking about water resistant socks that if you're an athlete, because I used to put football in high school, American football. Uh oh man, when it rains, your feet feel soaked. And I started talking about water resistant socks and how athletes would love it. And I I sat down and I was like, "That's kind of a cool idea. How can I do that?" So I created a water resistant sock. And that was my first kind of internet business. And then I think about what I'm doing now. Uh so I run a company called Briefs Media. Our flagship product is called Market Briefs which is a a free daily newsletter. And that started because during COVID the economy flipped upside down like in a matter of a day. And so I went from making YouTube videos like three times a week to 7 days a week. And there's a there's there's so much happening in the news that I asked my team. I said, "Hey, uh, can you send me a daily briefing of what's happening in the markets and make it stupid simple so I can understand because I don't like complex jargon." And so my team started sending this to me and I I was like, "Huh, I wonder if other people would like this." So I would occasionally mention this on my YouTube channel that, hey, if you want to get a daily report of what's happening in the markets, you can just join this newsletter. At the time, it was called the Minority Mindset Newsletter. Super original, right? And um it's that started picking up uh attention. People started to like it and I was like, "Huh, we can actually do something with this. We're not making any money, but I was like, I I see the value because I like reading this newsletter and I don't like the complex jargon of all the traditional financial news. I just want to know what's happening in the stock market and the housing market and crypto." I just break it down into a quick fiveminute read. And that's when we re rebranded it into market briefs. And I said, hm, let's ignore all this other like stuff that we were doing. Let's put more energy and focus into market briefs. And that's what then allowed that to take off, which then was the flagship for many other products that we have now in our company. But it started with that painoint. >> That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. It's always a pain point. I just whether it's something like that like a newsletter, whether it's the biggest business in the world today, like it all started from a painoint. >> Yeah. And and I think if we spent more time with pain points, we'd come up with better ideas rather than trying to come up with solutions and ideas to problems that either don't exist or that we're imagining. I I know a lot of people like this, probably even on my team, people that I know, friends and family who are like they were never exposed to investing. They even I wasn't. I had no idea growing up what investing was. >> You and me both. >> Yeah. I had no clue. No one ever explained it to me. I didn't know anyone who invested really, I don't think. Maybe I knew one person who had one other property than the one they owned. I didn't grow up in that circle. If someone's out there going, "Okay, I want to start investing. What's the smallest amount I need to start investing? What's the number? Where do they start?" Now, $1. You can start investing with any amount of money. And the whole idea of investing is you take this extra money and you're going to put it into this thing. you're going to buy something with it with the goal of making money off of this thing as opposed to just buying a watch or a pair of shoes. But the part that I think a lot of people don't understand, especially if they don't grow up learning about investing like we didn't is there's more than one way to invest because 10 years ago, what was investing or what did people think investing was? How do I find the next Amazon? How do I find the next Apple? Today, a lot of people think investing is how do I find the next memecoin? How do I find the next cryptocurrency before it pops off? We start to think of investing in terms of gambling. Especially because now there's so much of it around us. I mean, there's sports betting, there's uh there's foreign exchange markets, there's poly markets. I mean, people are betting on uh what the Federal Reserve Bank is going to do next. They're betting on these wild decisions off of You remember that one? There was a big couple that got caught cheating at the Cold Play concert. I forget who it was. >> There was a a betting market around are they going to file a divorce or not. So people are quote unquote investing their money >> on don't that type of thing. So people are now like making businesses out of all sorts of prediction markets. And so we start to assume without any financial education that investing is the same thing. We're just going to predict what's going to happen in something tomorrow. But that's really not what investing is. Investing is something that you want to buy and own for the long term that you believe is going to either go up in value and maybe pay you with some sort of interest along the way. Maybe it's going to deposit money every month, maybe it's going to deposit money every 3 months, maybe it's going to deposit money every year into your bank account for not doing anything. That's what investing is. So now, how do you go about doing it? And there are three layers that you need to understand. Number one is the most hands-off. And that is I'm going to give my money to you, a financial adviser, and you are going to manage my money for me. And now it's completely handsoff. And so if you just run some basic numbers, if I invest $1,000 a month for 30 years, and my financial adviser can beat the markets, they do 11% a year, I'm going to end up with 1.8 million, but I got to pay a fee. I got to pay a price. You might have to pay 1 and a.5% in fees. So, you might end up paying 500 or $600,000 in fees. So, the 1.8 million is what you're getting after the fees. Option number two, if you want to be a little bit more involved but not fully involved, is what I call being a passive investor. And passive investing is all about finding a basket of stocks and now you just keep consistently investing your money in it. So, for example, you can invest in the United States economy, in the broad economy. And one of the most common and popular ways to do that is to invest in something called the SNP 500. That's a group of the 500 largest companies in the stock market. You don't have to go out and find Amazon and Tesla and all these companies. You just invest in this fund and you don't have to touch it. And the nice thing about it is if you invest your money into this fund and let's just say Amazon goes bankrupt, you don't have to do anything. The fund is going to kick Amazon out as they get smaller and they're going to replace them with another company. So it's completely fast passive for you. Historically, this has averaged about 10% growth a year. A little bit more than that, but right around 10% historically despite the recessions, despite market crashes, because know we know that they happen. it has averaged about 10% a year. So if you invest $1,000 a month for 30 years, that would be about $1.9 million. Then you have layer three, the most involved. This is called being an active investor. And being an active investor is not trading. It's not flipping. It's I want to own good investments that I believe in, that I've researched, I put the work into, and I want to own them for the long term. So this might be investing in individual companies, individual stocks. Maybe now I want to invest in Amazon. Maybe now I want to invest in McDonald's or whatever. Maybe it's investing in individual re real estate properties. And the goal with this is you're taking on more risk for more potential return. So we talked about how if you just invest your money into the broad economy, you're averaging about 10% a year. as an active investor, you know, we're not talking about 200% returns or 100% or even 50% returns that people like to talk about on the internet because that's not sustainable. It's a lie. It's a scam and they're screwing you over. We're talking about a slight edge. Let's just say 13% a year. If you can do that, 13% a year, $1,000 a month for 30 years, well, now you're going to have about $3.5 million. So, we're talking about $1.6 $6 million more than if you passively invested. You're taking on more risk. It's more work and more research, but there's more potential upside. And so, you have to know kind of where along this curve you want to be because active investing is not for everybody. This is what our firm focuses on is that research for active investors, but it's more risk for more potential upside. >> Yeah. And and it almost feels like it's better to start and move layer by layer by layer rather than dive straight in. It often is just to start with what's most accessible to you because what is most accessible to most people is something like a 401k or IRA. And I personally don't use a 401k because it's not right for me. But personal finance is personal. Okay? What's right for you is not going to be right for me. Start with whatever you have access to and then take the next step. and then take the next step. And then you'll start to realize what are all the options out there because it can be intimidating because you say, "Oh my god, should I invest in stocks or real estate or crypto? Should I invest in individual companies or ETFs or mutual funds? Oh my god, should I be investing in apartments or or single family houses? Should I be using like take a breath? It's okay. Just start. The reason why people don't see the success that they want out of their investments isn't generally because they made the wrong decision. It's because they never made a decision. It's because it never started. But once you can get started, you can make that adjustment. I talk I I relate uh investing to working out all the time. Because I see the same thing in the gym. People that are getting started with working out, they'll say, "Just what should I do? Should I go do these highintensity workout? Should I do this low intensity workout? Should I do carnivore diet? Should I do a vegan diet? Should I do you know, look, just get on a treadmill and put down the donuts, right? Start and then take the next step. and then the next step and just just start and then you'll see what works better for you. >> Yeah. How do you track the stock market? Break that down for me for someone who doesn't know where to start. Kind of like what we're saying right now where you know someone's like, "Oh, I'm thinking of doing this. I'm thinking of doing this." They don't understand. How would you break it down for them? >> Yeah. So, well, the stock market is a place where anybody can go out and buy a piece of ownership in a company. Not every company. the company has to be what's called publicly traded. So for example, Briefs Media, my company, it's private, meaning you can't invest in my company. But if a company is publicly traded, for example, McDonald's, you can buy a piece of that company. It's called a share. And if you buy one share of McDonald's, you become one of the owners of that company. So when I go to Nike and I buy a pair of shoes, I am a consumer at Nike. When I own one share of the Nike stock, I become one of the owners of Nike. As the owner of Nike, I profit. When you buy the Nike shoes, as a consumer of Nike, I am making the investors richer, but I look cool cuz I got the Nike. I got the Jordans on. And so, the whole idea behind the stock market is you are buying shares of these companies that are publicly traded. Now, the price of a stock is going to depend on whatever the stock is. And what causes the price of a stock to go up and down is not how much money the company's making. It's supply and demand. And what I mean by that is the price of any asset, real estate, stocks, crypto, it ultimately depends on how many buyers and sellers there are of that asset. So if more people want to buy the McDonald's stock than there are sellers of the McDonald's stock, that stock price will go up. If people are selling the stock more than there are buyers, the price of that stock goes down, which then goes to the next question. What causes it to go up or down? Why do people buy versus why do people sell? And there are a whole list of reasons, but you can look at the obvious. If McDonald's starts to produce bad hamburgers, the owners might say, "I don't know about this." Well, maybe not the hamburgers cuz McDonald's is actually in the real estate business. But if McDonald's starts to have some problems, the owners might say, "Maybe I should sell." If McDonald's starts to have smaller profits, now the investors might get concerned. If they start to have bigger profits than expected, more people might want to buy, which could push the stock price up. So, you have to understand the psychology of the buyers and sellers because there's two parts to successful investing. One is the the financial side, but it's also the emotional side. And in today's market, our markets are more emotional than ever before. Business Insider actually did a study on this recently where they I mean it's not really that hard to find, but they said that our stock market is more volatile than previous decades, [sighs and gasps] which for the average person is not good because they say, "Oh my god, I'm scared my the markets are going to go down. I'm going to lose money." But for the financially savvy, that creates more opportunity than ever. In 2025, for example, we saw three stock market crashes. When we saw the first announcement of tariffs, markets crashed. Then tariffs were paused, markets hit new record highs. Then we had the second announcement of tariffs, markets crashed. Once those were paused, markets rose again. Then we had liberation day, the third announcement of tariffs, markets crashed at the fastest rate since the pandemic. Then there were paused and markets broke new record highs. See, for the average person, that was a nightmare. But for the financially savvy, all of those downturns created a great buying opportunity. The thing that I like to tell people is you're going to see ups and downs. But when you have those crazy times, I want you to remember one thing. I want you to remember poop. P O P. Why? Because panic leads to overselling leads to opportunity leads to profit. And that's where, you know, we've been talking a little bit about the education side of investing, but that psychology is just as important because if you're the one that's panicking, well, you're making somebody else wealthier. >> Yeah. >> And you have to understand what it is that you're investing in and know how that fits in with your investing strategy. That way you can actually make money instead of being the person that's making somebody else money. >> Yeah, I was gonna I was going to say that one mindset that sticks very close to what you're saying, which may have to go earlier on in your system, is this idea of I'm trying to get the language right. You you'll name it better because it's your system. But this idea of just don't chase fast money. Because I think the reason why we get scared when the markets crash, when we're not financially savvy, is because we thought, "Oh god, I lost all my money. Let me take it out." Right? or let me avoid putting more money in because things are not looking safe. And this idea of this mindset that we have around I just want to make money quick, you know, I just want to put something in next year it's huge and then I want to pull out. And it's like well that's like very very rare for people to pull off. And I think that speedy money is what stops us from making good decisions because by the time you actually put money in, you're like, "Oh, they I should have done it last year." Right? Cuz you're just watching that quick win. Does that make sense? Yeah. And that that is actually it goes back into what you were saying a little bit ago when you said, "What about that person who's living paycheck to paycheck?" What does that person want? I want a relief of where I am. So what is that relief often? It's fast money. It's like, "Oh my god, my arm hurts. What do I want? I want relief. Give me the extra strength Tylenol or whatever it is because I just want a quick fix." And so what happens to a lot of times that person in the situation and we we were hinting at this from a different angle before is you get screwed over. The system profits off of you because well you are a prime candidate for spending money. But now if you start to say, "Oh my god, I just want to make some more money." What happens? Well, you become a prime candidate for that fast money. And that fast money most of the times is not there. And when it is there, if it does happen to come fast, you are also going to lose it just as fast. Because if you don't know what to do with that money, well, it can go and leave just as fast. It's a they say I think it's like 80% of lottery winners go broke or bankrupt within 5 years of winning the lottery. Why? It's not because you didn't have enough money. People have won millions and millions and millions of dollars. If you don't have the financial education and the money comes fast, it's going to disappear just as fast. And on the other side, when you become desperate for money, you become a prime candidate to buy those programs and services that are trying to sell you this dream of, hey, all you got to do is work 3 hours a week on a laptop off of a beach in Bali and you're going to make $10,000 a month. $10,000 a week. You don't have to do anything. It sounds amazing. Sign me up. $997, no problem. Well, that fast money >> Yeah. >> doesn't work like that. >> Yeah. >> There's no sacrificing the hard work. Yeah, you brought up AI. Where do you see the biggest opportunities with AI and investing right now? >> Oh man. Well, let me premise it with this because I love talking about history because while history doesn't exactly repeat itself, it does rhyme. When the internet started to become popular in the '9s, we started to see very similar things happen. What do I mean by that? If you started a company in the mid to late 90s and you put the word.com at the end of it, you could go to whatever bank or investing institution you wanted and raise a couple million dollars because they wanted a piece of that action. Money was just being dumped into the internet companies. And then came the year 2000. And in the year 2000, that internet bubble that was created popped and we saw internet stocks get wiped out and there was a index called the NASDAQ which tracks a lot of these techy type companies. At that time it was a lot of internet companies. That index fell by about 78%. And it was a disastrous crash where even Amazon stock fell by more than 90%. But during that time, we started to hear the news that the internet must be a fad. The internet's done. No one's using the internet before. I mean, there was a lot of famous headlines from big newspapers that published that. >> Well, what happened? It wasn't that the internet died, but a lot of internet companies did die. It was the strong companies that survived and Amazon became what it is today. So, you talk about AI. Could we be in an AI bubble? Absolutely. Uh we're always in some sort of bubble. We have more money going into AI than ever before. And it really feels like that rate is accelerating. And it's like it's like a infinite black hole of money. It's just money coming out of everywhere from the government, from foreign countries, from investors. Everybody wants a piece of the action. Could we see an AI bubble burst? Absolutely. But just like how the internet bubble burst, it doesn't mean the AI is going to go away if it does happen. It means that the smart and the savvy will survive and then the others will get wiped out. So now let me ask that answer that question. Now, where's the opportunity? And I'm going to explain this like an onion because like onions have multiple layers. That's how savvy investors like to think about their investments. Because when a lot of people think about AI, they think how can I invest in chat GPT? Well, when you're saying that, what you're essentially saying is I want to invest in the company that's producing the AI. And there are companies that do that, which sure, but that's the top layer of the onion. What every savvy investor wants to do is they want to know where is the money moving, where's the money going to go before other people understand. That's what investment research is all about. And that's what I I tried to spend a lot of my time and what's my company works on. So let's let's now go one layer deeper. Well, what is the AI going to be powered by? What is powering this technology? Well, right now it's being powered by computer chips because in order to do this AI computing, you need powerful computers. Well, the next generation of computer chips, which we don't have yet, could be something called quantum computers. And a quantum computer is essentially a supercomput to the 10,000th power on steroids. that a a typical computer like so and I don't want to get too technical but a a typical computer that we have today can solve one math problem a second that's just the way that it works but what a quantum computer can do is it can solve multiple problems per second so a 64-bit computer that we have today which exists that can solve one problem a second a 64 cq-bit computer can solve if I remember the numbers correctly. I think it's 18 quintilion problems a second. >> Wow. >> What does that mean? A quantum computer can solve what a normal computer would take hundreds of years to do. That same problem could be solved in a matter of seconds. It's >> insane. >> It is. We're not there yet, but there are companies that are investing in it. If that happens, some of those companies could make a lot of money. >> Mhm. >> Well, let's keep going another layer deeper, right? We're going down the onion. So we talked about the first layer which is the AI maybe quantum. What about the third layer? If if I have a AI company or I have AI, I have data. And as much as we want to talk about privacy, the reality is if you have a a smartphone, you have data that's in the cloud. Well, the cloud isn't in the clouds. The cloud is actually in a physical building called a data center. So, as AI starts to gather more data, because anytime you ask Chad GPT a question, whether it's a guacamole recipe or it's something, write me this email, that data is being stored somewhere and that data is being stored in a data center. And that could also create an investment opportunity because now as we start to have more data being processed, as more people use AI, more data is being created every single second. So now data centers are now booming because of that. In fact, I was just reading that there are some companies looking at putting data centers on the moon now as a way to diversify. And that's how crazy it's getting that we're looking for new ways to put data centers outside of the earth. We could take it now one layer deeper in the onion, right? So, we talked about data centers, but those data centers have to be powered too because those data centers need energy. those uh data centers that are keeping all this stuff use a lot of power and there are specific companies that are powering those data centers and these companies are trying to be as innovative as possible of how can we now power the data center for as low cost as possible and somebody is going to win that race and the one that wins that race is going to make a lot of money that can create an investment opportunity. Let's take it one layer deeper in this onion. That data center has to be kept at a specific temperature because they have all these computer parts in there that get hot. >> I mean, if you if you use a computer, you know, you get that sound, it gets hot. Well, if that data center starts to overheat, >> it is going to malfunction and no AI company, no tech company wants to lose it. I mean, it would be a disaster. So these data center companies are investing heavily into data center cooling, which is a whole new industry of companies. >> Yeah. >> Well, one of those companies is going to be the most efficient. They're going to be the most innovative. And they're going to be the best one, the the one that everybody wants to use. Well, they're going to have the opportunity to make a lot of money as well. And so this is what smart investors are doing is, you know, when people think about AI, oh, I want to invest in this AI stock. >> Well, that's the first layer of the onion. But what savvy investors are doing is they're pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe pe peeling that layer back and they're trying to think two years down the road 5 years down the road and what are all the things that are impacted by that artificial intelligence now you can invest in the individual companies there are funds that can give you exposure to to artificial intelligence but the whole idea is understanding I mean this is investing 101 is understanding where the money is moving >> and that's where the opportunity will be >> it's a great answer sign me up to market briefs Yes, that's what we cover. >> But that's the that's the insight you're giving people, right? Like if if someone signs up, are you able to say, "Hey, these are the three companies right now that are building XYZ for you to be informed and then someone could go and look at that or >> how does that work?" >> So, so market briefs itself is the news. We we give you a snapshot of what's happening. That's free, >> right? Then for the investors, we have different types of products for the different type of investor because we talked about people that want to work with a financial adviser. Well, we can help refer you to a financial adviser. For those of you that want to be passive investors, we're building tools for you. That way, you can analyze ETFs and do all that stuff with the power of AI in there. We're building our own proprietary tools, which I've never talked about before, but hey, here we are. Uh, launching in 2026. Some really powerful stuff. Then for active investors, we have our briefs pro product which is research. And the thing that makes this so unique and powerful is traditionally if you wanted to know what Wall Street knows, it was number one extremely expensive. Number two, it's extremely complicated. I mean, if you go and read Black Rockck's reports, which I do, I'm a weirdo, I know, but if you read any of these banks reports, it is complicating. It's difficult and there's a lot of technical jargon in there that, you know, unless you are a professional, it's really hard to understand what these companies are doing. So, what we try to do is we have analysts that do real research. I mean, we're we're going out talking to executives. They're going out and attending trade shows. They're going out and putting in all this work to find where money is moving. And then we break it down into our pro research for the active investors because not everybody should be an active investor. >> It's for the people that actually want that research that we break down into plain English. >> How should someone who's a university graduate right now, a young person prepare for an AIdriven economy? What should they be thinking about? You better learn it. You better. It is inevitable. At first, you know, I'm one of those guys. I hate to say this, but I'm one of those guys that kind of has always fought technology. I was very anti smartphone for a long time. I was very anti-touchscreen phone for a long time. Uh I still don't really understand how to use Netflix. My wife is the the lead on that. And I was kind of like, you know, with AI, I was like, this is cool. We'll see where this goes. And as I started to learn about it more and more and I started to use it in my own business, I started to realize, oh my god, this is not one of those things that I can just kind of sit on because the internet changed the world quickly. And the companies that understood the internet were able to grow very fast. And the companies that didn't failed. Blockbuster bankrupt. Sears bankrupt. Well, AI is doing the same thing at a much bigger level at a much faster rate, but our minds haven't gotten faster. And that's what makes it very unique because humanity can only evolve as fast as we can evolve. I mean, our minds can only grow at a certain rate. Technology keeps growing exponentially faster. So when the internet started to grow, we thought it was extremely fast. I mean over the course of 2000 to 2010, we saw a lot of companies that were not getting involved with the internet getting wiped out. Well, chat GPT did not exist 5 years ago. And here we are today in 2025 and you have a lot of companies that have replaced workers with AI. and and and sure there's a lot of companies that have not started adopting it yet, but the companies that are savvy have started integrating AI in some way, shape, or form. I mean, I I have a YouTube channel in Spanish. I'll give you an example. And what I used to do is we used to take my videos, send it to a person who would then write down my script, and then he would record it or he would translate it, and then he would record it. He would give us the audio recording and then we would take the audio recording and impose it onto that video. I mean this was the process. I'm sure you've done something similar and then that would get published and that's what we did for a long time. >> Then came AI. You take the YouTube URL, you put it into this thing, you press enter and 15 seconds later it's a video dubbed in Spanish in my voice at a fraction of the price >> and speed. >> Insane. >> You don't have to rely on somebody else. this guy's on vacation, I have to wait for him to come back for vacation. Or if I'm doing an interview with somebody else and I need two voice editors, I mean, it it was just it it was difficult and expensive. Now with AI, it's not like that. So, we're talking about in just a few years, we've gotten to where we are today, and we're not even at the goal of what AI wants to be. The goal with AI is AGI, artificial general intelligence. And if you read what OpenAI has published on their website, they say that their goal is to build a smarter artificial general intelligence for humankind. Meta has said the same thing. I mean, pretty much any AI executive has made it explicitly clear that their goal is not artificial intelligence. It's AGI. And what AGI is, it's an AI that will do the work for you. So, let's say I wanted to start a a guacamole business, right? I I like I like food. I'm just a food person. >> So, if I go to AI and I say I want to start this business, it can give me some recipes and I can say, you know, you can do uh you need to file an LLC. You should go fi find an assistant and you should find a place to build your recipes and things like that. If I ask that same question to AGI, the results are very different. Instead of telling me what I need to do, AGI will go out and actually file my LLC for me. It will go out and sign a lease for me to rent my warehouse. It will go out and hire me a team. It'll hire me an exist an executive assistant to run the business for me. >> You'll probably hire an AI exist >> and it'll hire the AI to do that work. >> That's what's every AI company is working for. And the first company to get there is going to be the one that is going to be making all that money. And if you don't understand that, you're going to be left behind. So if you're out of college, you have to learn about AI. I don't care what industry that you're in, learn how to use it. Because, you know, a lot of people talk about there's not going to be need for human workers. I don't necessarily agree with that. >> Yeah, I agree with you. >> But there's not going to be a need for people that don't really understand how to use AI. And so you need to understand how to use it to make your work better, to make your work more efficient. because you might not be replaced with AI but you'll be replaced by somebody who understands AI and I know at our company when we hire I don't care what the position is even our customer service reps we ask them how do you use AI what do you understand about AI because we want to know how you are thinking and if you are out of college you are in a I mean this and people look at it as a big con and a big hindrance But for the savvy, it's a huge opportunity because most people have no idea. They don't know anything beyond chat GPT and all they use chat GPT for is the very basic stuff of how do I write an email or analyze this for me. But if you can start to research it and there's a lot of free resources on YouTube. >> Yeah. What would you recommend for someone who's like, I really want to learn AI this year. I want to give, you know, a couple of hours a week to do it. Maybe a couple of hours a day because I'm really excited about it. where where do they start? >> Start with YouTube. I mean, YouTube's got so much free content out there and and learn something and it's free for you to try it. Go on to Chad GPT. Go on to YouTube and learn what can I use AI for? And you're going to see all these crazy stuff. Just start to go down some rabbit hole that can align with your career. So, if you're a dentist, how can I use AI in a dentistry office? If you are an engineer, how do I use it as an engineer? If you are a construction worker, how can construction workers use uh AI? I mean, there was a that thing that I was reading about window washers. This is not a techsavvy industry, but it was talking about how there's a business of people now that are building AI tools for window washers saying, "Hey, when you have to go and clean people's windows, how do you know which house to go to first? If you can have an AI tool to build that route for you, you can save time and do more houses in a day. And if you can use that same AI tool to help you give quotes that are more realistic to maintain your profit margin without you necessarily having to go to every single house. Now you can give more quotes that are more accurate and spend less time doing it. So if you want to edge as a window washer, use AI. If you want to edge as a real estate agent, use AI. I mean, in real estate, there was if you want to help sell a house, you want the house to be furnished. You want it to have the nice furniture so people can imagine their themselves living there. Well, it's expensive to furnish a house. But what if you can take a virtual tour of a house because somebody can take a video of it and you can use AI to superimpose the furniture in the house. Now, somebody can imagine themselves living in that house with a virtual tour where they don't have to go to the house and it costs you a fraction of the cost of actually furnishing it, which means that you can find more of that potential buyer faster, easier if you can show them how they could potentially live there. Again, it's not replacing the need for them to go there, >> but it's making it easier for them to >> decide if they want it or not. >> Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I've seen the AI that lets you try on things when you're online shopping for your >> avatar to see it, for you to see it, whether it's purchasing something. >> It's it's incredible just how much it's speeding up decision making. Purchase again, which means again going back to your original point where we started is you're either going to become the consumer >> Yeah. >> or the investor and the user >> 100% >> because we are all going to consume based off of AI because it's going to make it easier to spend more. >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> And the people that understand it, it's going to the internet made some people wealthier. It made it easier for everyone else to spend money, right? It started off with, oh, you can just spend money without driving to the store. Well, then it became the one-click purchase and because Amazon realized that for every time you had to click a button to get to the checkout page, they lost about 50% of buyers. So, they said, "How about we just create the one-click purchase? That way, it's so easy to buy." Then came buy now pay later online. So you go to the purchase. Don't you don't even need the money to buy anymore. Just hit buy and we'll figure out how to get your payments later. Now with AI, it's going to know what you want before you know what you want >> and it will be presented to you and the people that don't understand how to control their finances are going to be spending their money much faster. the people that understand this are going to be able to gather that money much faster. So, it's what side of the game do you want to be on? And it goes back to the financial education, which we're never taught. >> It's great master class. It's fantastic. Really great, man. >> I appreciate it, man. The world is the world is changing. >> So simple. No, but the world is changing. It's changing fast. But what I really appreciate about talking to you is you make it so simple and you make it applicable for everyone. And I hope everyone who's been listening and watching today has a road map. I feel like they have the steps that they need to take to improve their financial well-being and that they're supported in that because it's such a systematic process and it doesn't matter how much or how little you have. It feels like you've given people a real blueprint to start with. The reason why I wanted to do this is because I was actually reading a statistic um right when your team emailed me, which was we know that somewhere between 50 to 70% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. And then I was reading a statistic that said 72% of Americans have Netflix. What that told me is that the average American is spending more money on Netflix than they are on their investments. And that's a problem that should be flipped. It should be way beyond flipped. And it's what are we prioritizing? And the the reality is the reason why so many people do that is because we just don't know there's an alternative. And that's what we're on the mission to do is to help help people be better with money because it costs money to eat. It costs money to feed other people. And unless you learn, you are going to be the person making everybody else rich and never wondering, never understanding why, why, how come I can't ever have freedom? How come I can't ever have those nice things? How come I can't ever do that stuff that everybody else is doing? But it starts with your mindset. It starts with that financial education. >> Great. That's great thing. Everyone, make sure you go and subscribe to Market Briefs, the newsletter if you want to find out simple, actionable tips on the news around finances and stock market. Marketbriefs.com or is it I want to make sure >> briefs.co/market >> briefs.co/market. >> Yeah. Or you can just go to briefs.co, you'll see market briefs there. Honestly, if you go to marketbriefs.com, it'll still be there, too. But but briefs.co is our homepage. >> Okay. Amazing. Just really, thank you so much for your time, your energy. I learned so much. I hope that you keep coming back on the show again and again to give great insights and I'm so excited for everyone to go and make better investments. This is my actual hope for people after this. Please do not sleep on this advice. Please go and subscribe to Market Briefs. Please go and figure out how to invest $1. That's all I want you to do to actually go and do it so that you get into the practice. We were talking about waiting around for a long time. And the third is go and really make sure you make those three bank accounts. thought that was a brilliant piece of advice to actually have your savings, your investment, and your spending money. Those three actionable items from this episode will transform your financial well-being. And of course, there was so many more insights that Jasp gave that I hope change your life and change your family's life as well. So, yeah, thank you, man. >> Well, thank you, Jay. You know, it's always a pleasure to be on with you. >> Uh we got to bring you to Detroit sometime. Absolutely. And you know, the small changes add up. >> So, get started. It doesn't matter where you are, it adds up. And I'm going to give one last stat because as you said that I was like, oh, you know, I should say this. >> If you can invest $4 a day from the day you turn 21 until the day you turn 65 and you just invest your money into the markets, you will retire a millionaire. $4 a day. That's something that I think everyone in a first world country can strive to do. Regardless of where you are, it's possible. Just get started. >> Well, amazing, man. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much for listening to this conversation. If you enjoyed it, you'll love my chat with Adam Grant on why discomfort is the key to growth and the strategies for unlocking your hidden potential. If you know you want to be more and achieve more this year, go check it out right now. >> You set a goal today, you achieve it in six months, and then by the time it happens, it's almost a relief. [music] There's no sense of meaning and purpose. You sort of expected it and you would have been disappointed if it didn't
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