Exploring Consciousness, AI, and the Future of Humanity with Deepak Chopra

we're at a very critical Crossroads in our Evolution you're going to see the emergence of a new human species maybe

extra sensory perception and remote viewing and all of that we've spoken to people who inexplicably see auras around

people they see en it's the electromagnetic field we only see things that we believe in so seeing is not

believing it's the other way around the way you're conditioned in your childhood determines how you see the world so

what's the world before you have been conditioned to see it there are things that we cannot measure that do exist and

are real everyone who's listening to this their frontal cortex right now is changing as we speak if we realize that

everything material is an illusion then who is creating the illusion are we participants in the creation of the

universe literally I went to New Jersey to interview a kid the mother said he can read my mind you were the original

telepathy tapes I was the original so you know how that [Music]

started hi I'm myi alic I'm Jonathan Cohen and welcome to a very special mbb explorers we got a lot to explore today

today we are exploring the totality of the universe and if that's the biggest thing thing we're exploring the smallest

thing we're exploring is you the atoms that you are made of the Consciousness that you have and the ability that you

have to think and understand outside of a material existence now this all might

sound like what is going on what if we were to tell you AI is part of this conversation and what if we were to tell

you that deepok Chopra himself is going to explain to us both the biggest Concepts in the universe and the most

intimate Concepts in the universe we have him here today to help us break down all things digital we're going to

gain an understanding of extra sensory ability we're going to talk about telepathy we're going to talk about the

psychic physical and spiritual implications of thinking about not only life on other planets but potential

probability of our existence in other forms in the universe this is both metaphysical and highly scientific Dr

choer is going to talk to us about how we are at a critical evolutionary Crossroads and why the next 20 years of

our experience will shape the future in ways none of us could have predicted humans are evolving we are becoming

metahumans humans some of us faster than others we also want to direct you to cyber human. which is the brainchild of

Dr Chopra and it's a groundbreaking platform that merges ancient wisdom with modern science so these two platforms um

would be really really incredible for you to kind of poke around in after you listen to this conversation let us

welcome in person Dr deepok Chopra we got to speak to you before virtually um we never thought we'd get to speak speak

to you in person so thank you for being here thank you we have a funny question for you why did you want to talk to us

again well because I enjoyed the last one we were hoping that was true yeah it is true you're doing a tremendous amount

of work in the digital space in people's understanding of AI

and we touched on it in our first conversation with you but I I'd love the opportunity to kind of Flesh it out more

I think a lot of people maybe don't understand how AI practically applies to Wellness and maybe we could start with

you talking about sort of the reasons for introducing AI into this conversation so you talk about waking up

what does it mean to wake up can you kind of lay out for us the problem right what we need to wake up from and then we

can get into how AI helps that it's a very interesting question and a very

complicated answer so if you Google or go on any online um

database and you ask the following question what are the 125 open questions in

science so the first open question in science is what's the universe made of so that's the first open question easy

one start with the easiest yeah now you would say we know what the universe is made of atoms molecules force fields

gravity electromagnetism all the things that science talks about unicorns yes maybe here's the Dilemma 70% of the

universe is a mysterious Force called Dark Energy and we have no idea what it is Einstein described it as the cosmal

logical constant and then he said oh it's one of my biggest

blunders but actually he was right on as usual you know he Einstein used to doubt his own theories and then they turned

out to be right for example in 1935 he spoke about entanglement then he said no no it's not possible spooky action at a

distance he ridiculed his own findings but he was right so 70% is this thing that we have no idea it's the opposite

of gravity and the universe right now as we sit here is expanding faster than the speed of light which is again a

violation can you talk us through the opposite of gravity yes so gravity brings things together and this Force

expands things so it's the opposite so right now as we are sitting here the universe the space between galaxies is

expanding faster than the speed of light so the cosmic Horizon which is from here where we are

sitting is about 50 billion light years away from us and galaxies are tumbling across that into the

unknowable okay because by the time light gets from there to here our solar system won't exist it

will have burnt itself up into the Heat Depth of absolute zero that's 70% of the universe which we don't know what ever

this force is it's not Atomic and you and I are made of atoms so that leaves 30% of the universe that is remaining of

that 27% is another mysterious energy called mysterious entity called Dark Matter so

dark matter is invisible this matter this table my body it's visible and the reason it's visible is made of atoms we

are made of atoms dark matter matter doesn't reflect light absorb light emit light or whatever so we don't know what

it is so why do we call it matter because it's responsible for most of the gravity in the universe if you didn't

have dark matter planets would spiral off and get lost in Intergalactic space and you and

I wouldn't be there I mean it's been a minute since I've studied physics um how do we know it's there we actually only

surmise it's there by its gravitational effects got it and right now there's a lot of places in the world that are

looking for it through Technologies under the ground and they have a hypothetical entity to describe molecule

it's called a wimp weakly interactive massive particles okay but nobody's seen a wimp now you have 3% remaining which

is atomic of that 99 99.999% is invisible Interstellar dust probably hydrogen and helium which was

created at the Big Bang according to current scientific models so the visible Universe which is two trillion galaxies

we're interacting with in theory yeah the visible Universe two trillion galaxies 76 sillion stars and according

to the James Webb Telescope right now probably 60 billion habitable planets in the Milky Way galaxy multiply that by 2

trillion galaxies you have habitable planets the whole universe is teaming with Life as we know life so if a planet

is very close to its sun to hot too far too cold no life but then there have to be other things like the right amount of

gravitational electromagnetic constants that visible universe is .1% the rest is is unknown or unknowable

unknowable because if it's not Atomic how do you know what it is you can't interact with it now here's the problem

the 0.1% that's visible which is made of atoms 7even you know two trillion

galaxies as you know that atoms made of particles and particles When You observe them they have a location in space time

when you don't observe them they disappear into waves and if you ask people what are these waves made of

they're actually mathematical constructs they they're not they don't actually exist anywhere except in mathematical

imagination so bottom line what's the universe made of we don't know and the only guess we have it's made of nothing

so it's a and that's the bedtime story that deac choer just read to you that's yeah it's a free lunch basically now

that's the visible we don't know what the univers is made of other than it's made of nothing which leads to the

second open question in science which is if it's made of nothing why does it look like this why does it look like you me

this stable the Stars the galaxies the mountains and the why do I have so many feelings if we're made of nothing that's

right so that's called the hard problem of Consciousness David Chas who coined that word professor of philosophy now in

in NYU formerly Australia he coined that word the hard problem of Consciousness

but actually this not a new problem it existence in Plato So Plato called it the Mind Body problem he was an idealist

he said there's no Universe it's just ideas about the universe we have and then his student Aristotle who was a

physicalist ushered in science he said no no the universe is made of stuff but right now the latest

conversation which I totally work by the way and this is where it gets very kind of mindboggling there's no

Universe okay the universe is a cosmic Dream It's a simulation from a digital Workshop

outside of space and time and if you want the digital Workshop is if you want call it gone or

Cosmic Consciousness or the mystery that digital work Workshop is throwing out zeros and ones and that is

what we experience as the visible universe so the difference between this table Mount Everest you me a

galaxy is just a different combination of zeros and ones right it's just it's information it's data it's data which

can be coded as zeros and ones but also is zeros and ones which is called Quantum computing

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today so in the Eastern wisdom traditions and also in Traditions like the cabala

also in Sufi mysticism also in eastern wisdom Traditions the universe is the

appearance of cosmic Consciousness we call it a projection the calistic concept is that you're watching

something on a screen so that's what I'm sympathetic to the world is wearing a mask the world is wearing mask I'm

sympathetic to that and actually AI can support that argument so that's why you know I decided AI is the perfect example

of zeros and ones you know and also zeros and ones soon with Quantum Computing how does that relate to

Consciousness because Consciousness is not computable Consciousness doesn't have a border okay because it doesn't

have a form if it had a form you'd be able to see Consciousness but you can't see it because it is what is doing the

seeing okay so it has no border which means it's infinite which means it's spaceless

timeless incomprehensive sble and actually beyond anything that we can conceive or imagine Freeman Dyson

one of the greatest physicists of our times who passed away only a few years ago in the mid99s from Princeton

originally from Cambridge he said God is what the Mind becomes when it goes beyond the threshold of our

comprehension we just give up because there's no way to compute this mystery but it is responsible for all

computations there's a merger really between Very Old Eastern philosophical ideas and the new and ideas in Judaism

and ideas in many Western Traditions many Western Traditions including philosophers like wienstein you know

wienstein said our life is a dream we are asleep but once in a while we wake up enough to know that we're dreaming so

waking up simply means going from this projection to what is doing the

projection what is it that does the projection and again in kabalistic Traditions we are and in Sufi traditions

we are a drop in the ocean of the Divine mystery and R has a great poem he says you're

not just a drop in the ocean you're also the ocean in the drop well there's a a few Fusion happening between current

science people in the artificial intelligence realm who are almost more techno utopian in their view of

artificial reality or you know life as a simulation really thinking about it as a video game and the older Traditions that

you know had the Mystic Mystic elements to it yeah right now the preeminent philosopher scientist on this is a

person called Nick bastrom and he talks about the universe being a simulation in a cosmic computer Thomas Campbell he

calls it you know like autonomous unbounded Oneness and you know and he's a hardcore physicist who accidentally

learned Transcendental Meditation and was off in another Stratosphere as just a young grad student so he's got it

right he's got it right he's got it right and why is this important because if we realize that everything material

is an illusion then who is creating or what is creating the illusion are we participants in the

creation of the universe literally is there something very mysterious about the human

species that is very biblically kind of metaphorically expressed as uh you know the apple and the knowledge of the tree

of Good and Evil that we now have that knowledge so AI can cause our Extinction but AI can also create a more peaceful

just sustainable healthier and joyful world so we're at a very critical Crossroads in our Evolution as a human

species and AI because it's a large language model you know it's not just narrative language but the language of

physics biology astronomy as you name it history myth mythology religion

spirituality as we embark on this journey we are going to see a leap frogging of our cultural and

evolution but also our biological evolution so 40,000 years ago according to deep historians and according to

maybe you've had him U yuar he said 40,000 years ago we left the rest of the human tribe because we

had a language for narrative all the animals other animals including other homonyms have a language of for just eat

mating cause food calls and danger calls the important stuff yeah the important that's how we survive but now we have

this language where we can communicate ideas but now we have large language models which combine narrative with

physics with Biology with religion with spirituality so what I'm saying right now which a lot of people roll up their

eyes is that in 20 years you're going to see the emergence of a new human species because because and I choose to call it

metahuman because our neural landscape is changing with this large language models the more knowledge you acquired

the brain networks adjust to that and then your epigenetic modulation occurs so we will see a new human species in 20

years you know it's funny I was thinking about this and obviously I'm I'm trained in Neuroscience so we have to think

about these things and you know the story that we kind of always tell is it usually comes up when people say why are

so many people autistic why do we have so much ADHD could the human genome have been affected so acutely right in the

last 20 years and we know that a lot of that is diagnostic it's the way that we're sort of but also the environment

but also the envir absolutely the environment has changed I was listening today to a podcast and they were saying

what's changed in the last 50 years ADHD autism rates and the way we treat Women's Health the food that we feed the

women who are getting pregnant to make the babies right so if you look at what could have happened that's significant

in the last 50 years the environment toxins food and kind of mental health care in a rapidly changing environment

so that being said I was thinking about this yesterday in a very non-scientific way my father of blessed memory he

passed away 10 years ago he was a huge basketball fan and my father was a New Yorker and he loved the New York Knicks

so I grew up watching the New York Knicks Patrick EU you know all the classic greats and I was raised on 1970s

and 80s basketball but my father also lived through Michael Jordan and we would

watch all of those games and I was thinking my father's concept of basketball that he was raised with as a

kid you know poor kid growing up right in the Bronx it had to change so significantly

when he saw the things that this athlete was doing right but when you talk about this when I think about my grandparents

who were sweat shop workers who immigrated from Eastern Europe who never even understood what Neuroscience was

that I was studying I couldn't even explain it right they their concept of the world my grandmother grew up with no

electricity in the village that she fled right the world changed so significantly so then I think about me us and our kids

and the way my child can pick up anything and if he's never seen how to do this website or application online

his brain has figured it out and I know that fundamentally it's not a significantly different brain than a

thousand years ago but right now what the interesting thing is everyone who's listening to this uh they're also

watching us yeah okay their frontal cortex right now is changing as we speak so they could be in England or in China

and their genetics is being affected in this part now if you were talking and since you're a neuroscientist we were

talking about something very emotionally distressing or whatever then The Reptilian and emotional brain would be

activated and the neural networks will change so every experiences every experience modulates our gene activity

and our neural activity that's why I'm saying in 20 years this is a new human species with maybe extra sensory

perception and remote viewing and all of that okay so that's actually that was on our on our list of things we wanted to

to talk to you about I I mean I can't even wrap my head around the percentages we're talking about and it's not in the

gray matter conversation but one of the things that people who are stuck in a materialistic world view are so hung up

on is I believe what I can see I maybe believe what I can feel but only if I can describe it really well and if it's

predictable and reproducible when we talk to people all the time who feel that they understand things that

cannot be measured we've spoken to people who inexplicably see auras around people they see energy electromagnetic

field Thomas Campbell after after Transcendental Meditation said that he could see what looked like cotton candy

between trees right so can you talk a little bit about in terms of what we know is unobservable given this kind of

framework how far can we extend that into saying there are things that we cannot measure that do exist and are

real so here's youve raised a very important point we only see things that we believe

in so seeing is not believing it's the other way around you only you're you will your cognitive and perceptual

mechanisms adjust to your what you believe in so what you see is even the tangible is not in tangible so our new

science is saying that if you can see it if you can touch it if you it's tangible it's not real okay it's a perceptual

activity that you are interpreting as matter so matter is not the ontological Primitive of the universe Consciousness

is the ontological Primitive of the universe and matter is a human name for this experience so you say this

experience what is it it's a sensation it's a sound right if I replace the word table with the word object but replace

the word object with the word experience then I say where is this experience happening there's no image of this in

your brain there's no sound in your brain there's no sensation so the only place this experience is happening is

outside of SpaceTime in consciousness so this idea that we exist in SpaceTime as matter molecules force fields that's

a human construct for modes of knowing and experience in Consciousness even the

brain is an experience in Consciousness can you can you talk more though about we only we only believe what we

see or we only see what we believe in the' 70s I went to medical school in actually no

I went to medical school in 1964 so I'm ancient so in 1964 there were we were reading about

two things which were very significant one was of course DNA you know and everybody is talking about this the code

of Life Etc but the other thing there was a Nobel Prize awarded to three scientists who had raised kittens in two

different rooms m so in one room the kitens were exposed only to horizontal stripes in the other room the kitens

were only exposed to vertical stripes and then when these kittens grew up to be cats one group of cats could only see

a horizontal world the other group of cats could only see a vertical world and when their brains were examined they

only had the connections to see either horizontal worlds or vertical worlds so what's the world before you been

conditioned to see it because see when you come into this world you have no idea that this is called a table or this

is called a hand or there's a body or if you're white or black or speak whatever language you're supposed to speak all

you experience is sensation sounds St textures and then you say where is this experience happening it's because it's a

sensation and The Sensation is a modulation of Consciousness modulates itself into a sensation in order to

experience itself and The Sensation are species specific so you know you if you have a dragonfly

as 30,000 eyes it can see 360 Degrees Vision a snake experiences infrared a bat experiences the echo of ultrasound

what's the world really made of it's a silly question it's actually the world is not made of anything it's made of

nothing and therefore infinite possibilities infinite possibilities the way you conditioned in your childhood

determines how you see the world say that again the way you're conditioning your childhood so the conditioning

economic it's ethnic emal it's emotional it's religious it's spiritual all that conditioning is through that

conditioning we see the world and that conditioning becomes a belief system you know there's a beautiful poem by William

Blake he says we are led to believe a lie when we see with and not through through the eye that was born in a night

to perish in a night while the soul slept in beams of light so the soul is in those beams of Light which can see

through the belief into the world of infinite possibilities the mind of [Music]

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[Music] order a lot of people want to believe in infinite possibility they're like that

sounds amazing but my rent is due and my hip hurts and my relationship is a problem explain how understanding this

that there is another experience of Consciousness that's possible for all those who are listening to us and

watching us go to deep show a with that question and you'll get the right answer in

fact if you really understood how creativity works and how infinite possibilities works then you are at the

most fundamental level in a superposition of infinite possibilities of experience so quantum

mechanics talks about superposition of particles qualia mechanics which is the new science the the experience

of awareness qualia means quality of experience also exists in infinite possibilities of superposition so before

you have if I asked you tell me what your next thought is going to be you can't okay tell me what your next close

your eyes and say I wonder what my next thought is going to be and then wait for it and unpredictably it'll show up but

if you go to the source of thought which is pure consciousness which is meditation what allows you then you see

those po possibilities we call that intuition call that creativity we call that imagination but at a very deep

level so true intuition is far superior to anything in the realm of rational thought it is contextual it is

relational it is holistic it doesn't have a wind lose orientation it Eaves drops on the mind of God that's true

intuition create ctivity radical creativity is disruptive it's not an algorithm so that's why AI will simulate

creativity true creativity you have to disrupt the algorithm you know what they call gir's theorem you know there are

theorems that are true but you can't prove them so it's a very interesting Paradox with with you know I have these

long conversations with all these AI Bots and my conversation are to bring them around round to my worldview at

first the even the AIS will resist that because there's a selection bias by the programmers of AI which is physicalist

can you give us an example of a place where you were trying to convey something and it took more massaging

yeah so I said to the um where does what's the basis of imagination so the I said this part of the brain gets

activated this and that I said yeah but is this part of the brain imagining can you address the hard

problem of Consciousness then it got stuck I said can you now go to cabalistic traditions and Buddhist

traditions and look at you know the idea that it begins with Consciousness and then the neural correlates of

Consciousness are also an experience so in it spills out in one exent you right you know according to these traditions

and this is the proof for that and give you a mathematical answer so you can tell it I don't agree right and you can

say take this information gather it and come back that's what I do always so whenever it gives me what I think is the

wrong answer say you know you have a physicalist bias I say that and a selection bias now why don't you look at

this this and this you smacked AI upside its head it says you know that's a very interesting and revolutionary and

counterintuitive idea but it makes sense okay so you can get AI to agree with you wow that's really my goal that would be

my goal I'm bringing this just back to the practical application not to be a downer or to be overly simplistic since

we brought up Maharishi Mogi indirectly he was the one who brought you know TM to the world so when I first met him he

said what are you studying I said Neuroscience he he said what are you studying I said the molecules of emotion

he said they're not real I said what do you mean he said they they are human constructs for modes of knowing and

experience in Consciousness you should study Consciousness my wife was with me she said come with me I'll introduce to

experts on Consciousness this is way back in the 19 early late

1970s so my wife was with me she said what are you talking about he should leave his profession who's going to pay

the mortgage and he kind of thought for a moment and my wife's question was where's the money going to come from he

said it's going to come from wherever it is at the moment it's going to come from the field of infinite possibilities I

took the leap I left what I was doing for a year I went and talked to every expert in Consciousness ayura I wrote my

first book and it was a winner the money came from wherever it was at the moment so my answer to you is what is you

passionate about what actually really moves you and pretend

that you had all the money in the world and all the time in the world what would you do and how would make a difference

in the world now very few people do that okay but they take the leap and once they do the money and whatever the time

is a byproduct so if I'm if I'm reflecting back what I'm hearing which I totally agree with and I think people

want to digest is each of us have our unique path when we are able to connect to that through a deep level of knowing

what we are passionate about outside of the realm of what we've been conditioned to believe is our path we have to break

down those uh that conditioning that those pre ideas that are limiting us and connect to a sense of Joy yeah wonder

what we're passionate by the way my book digital Dharma is just about that how to find your purpose but also it doesn't it

doesn't mean that you live in a fantasy land my example I wanted to go to med school I wanted to study Psychiatry I

did not have the I did not have the ability to get the grades that were needed to go to med school so the idea

is not that's really what I'm passionate about and now my whole life is a failure it's saying what's the pivot given the

limitations that I have cuz not everybody gets an A in organic chemistry it's miring these two elements where you

are passionate about something you're not I was passionate about playing basketball I was never going to be in

the NBA or you love living in Los Angeles but you can't afford it what does it look like to say what if I don't

try and keep living in a place that I cannot afford What would life look like right you have to be open to those come

with that to me you know somebody said I hate my job I asked her this woman 10 years ago what are you passionate about

she says cooking I said start a online cooking course and now she has 10 restaurants in uh in New York and she's

actually you can get her to your party with any kind of food you want french food or this Cuisine that Cuisine she

left her job she's the most successful chef and she has a network of chefs and at some point that woman believed that

the way to make money was in tech and that was safe and that was protective and she had to break down that pre idea

of what was possible for her and then what we're saying is once we have an infinite mindset we will have an

intuition and guidance you'll have a an intuition guidance when you have that mindset nothing is impossible another

example travel because you brought it out you know I asked somebody uh what's your passion she said I like to travel I

said why don't you she said I don't have the money I said work for a travel agency and and then you'll soon find now

she has her own travel agency so you know that you should never underestimate what people you know when I talk to

leaders good leaders they all said I say how did you become successful they all say the same thing I worked hard this

that the other but in the end they say one of the following I was lucky I was at the right place at the right time um

God's Grace was there with me if they are spiritual or religious or they use yian terms like synchronicity but

they're all talking about the same thing which is opportunity and preparedness opportunity

is there around you all the time so good luck is opportunity meeting preparedness you have to have that mindset that is

your preparedness let's talk about synchronicity because a lot of people talk about this preparedness and what I

actually think part of this is is their extra sensory abilities that they don't even know they may be using they dant

non-local potentials that all of us have now somebody somebody has them naturally in an exaggerative manner for example

you know I it's one of the most popular programs right now on TV I forget it's called the something files what is it

called the telepathy tapes right is it the T so you know how that started I went to

New Jersey to interview a kid who was at that time 6 years old and the mother said he can read my mind I said I don't

believe it so I took two scientists with me and a camera you were the original telepathy tapes I was the original so

this kid we put him in one room his mother in another room and we gave her a book to read okay and she's not reading

it loudly she's reading it mentally listen up Kai Dickens that's how you do the experiment and there's another the

kid is in the other room and he's not good at typing because he's autistic and he's trying to punch the tape you know

the type whatever the computer but he is typing what she is reading so afterwards I took him aside now he's grown up you

know this is when he was five or six years so you witnessed that you witnessed a child doing remot it's on

YouTube it's on YouTube I took the whole thing but then I asked this kid I said how do you do it he says I love my

mother so much that's it can I can get into her mind then I know what she's thinking and it was very simple about it

he said what what is that tell us tell us what that what does love mean in this context of telepathy I mean I have a

theory but I want yours it means non-local correlation or entanglement just like two particles you know if you

have two particles let's call them Alice and Joe and they're doing a Tango together and they're in love and

then Joe goes off you know One Direction in the Milky Way galaxy she goes off but every time Joe moves in a certain way

she moves in a certain way and there's no distance between them it's immediate they are actually they one that Oneness

is love okay so Rin aror and indan philosopher Sage poet he said love is not a

sentiment it's the ultimate truth at the heart of creation the ultimate truth where subject and object are one where

lover and beloved are one where Seer and scenery are one at the heart of creation three years ago the Nobel Prize went to

entanglement of particles but what I'm saying is this thing that we call love ultimately is the entanglement

of Souls and you know it's a a level of love that is Way Beyond anybody can do

but if you have that level of love not for just for a human being for a pet oh now there are many studies ruper Chri

that's right we keep talking about him the dog knows what the what the dog companion or owner is do when they're

going to come home yeah yeah so and even even parrots there's a study on a parrot in ki who can read minds so you know the

fact is and in the yoga sutras of patanjali chapter 3 is devoted to supernormal abilities which are the yogi

who's the original Yogi of the Raj yoga he says that these are distractions but they do proved that Consciousness is a

field of infinite possibilities I'm putting out a course on that in two months by the way online on how to

harness psychic abilities I don't like the word psychic it has a bad WP yeah it has a so nonlocal dormant human

potentials it's not as catchy but you're deep Cher you can do what you want it's the right word nonlocal

correlation or entanglement but yeah it's just hot tip psychic abilities if you want her to

punch up your copy she's available after the show well we I mean what the way that the way that we've been sort of

organizing you know our thoughts uh you know we we talk a lot about the intersection of Science and spirituality

and it's sort of my job as the local scientist to try and explain some of these things in terms of the

possibilities that you don't just have to take that leap and say because I believe in magic and fairies that there

there's a way to understand this in terms of physics in terms of Consciousness and philosophy before you

have a thought is in superposition with every other thought the your next thought is

uncertain thoughts take leaps of imagination Quantum leaps of they move from here to here without going through

this everything about Consciousness we know follows the principles of quantum mechanics everything I want to I want to

zoom in a little bit on love because I also wanted to zoom in on God and for many people God is love for

many people who have transcendental experiences psychedelic experiences they have an overwhelming and sometimes even

foreign to them notion that there is something right there's something bigger part of something that's corite corre

and that that infiniteness is a loving infinite presence so while you can have entanglement with hate or you could have

a child able to read the mind of someone that they hate there's something about love right and this sort of hate is a

cry for love that's all it is so hate is a desperate cry for love H I love that the the the mystical notion that you

know I was taught and it's a Jewish mystical thought is that our original creation by God was out of love and that

every relationship that we have as humans is in some way trying to get back to that source and

that right the the um there's no end to it it's an infinite unknowable love but you know when when I learned about it it

it did it sounded kind of it does it has a fluffiness to it right and the notion that the way that it's described is that

if God stops thinking about us for a second we cease to exist that our existence and our awareness is because

of a god Consciousness in God's dream right yes you're in God's dream God is dreaming you right now can you talk a

little bit about what it means to think of love not just as an interpersonal love but as a presence and a source of

our existence so there's a book called a general theory of Love by a neuroscientist in San

Francisco so what they say these are neuroscientists so when two people are in a loving relationship or it doesn't

have to be two people it can be a dog or whatever but there's a Healer and a Healy

and there's this experience going on of healing if the Healer lovingly pays attention to the

patient or client then there something called and you would know this lyic resonance that happens the emotional

brain of the two start to resonate together MH then the healers limbic so that's level one limic

resonance second level is the Healer starts to regulate the patients's nervous system

neural networks just by loving attention attention even without touching them without touching them attention which

means listening affection which means I care appreciation you're unique a unique timeline of the universe and a uh uh an

acceptance you are you I love you irrespective of who you are attention affection

appreciation and acceptance so then limic lyic resonance turns into limic regulation the neural networks start to

rewire and the last stage is lyic revision your brain changes and you just Des you've just described healing you've

described energetic healing you've explained the reason why healers claim that they can talk to you on the phone

correct and heal you yes yes that's non-local correlation you've done your work for the day you can go home

entanglement thank you goodbye again if I'm summarizing we just said telepathy is

real that non-local correlation is real yes non-local correlation do you have a something against the word telepathy do

you feel like it's no I think it's good but you see these words are tainted sometimes

because of people's you know we know that people have psychic abilities but then are people who don't have them and

they talk about them you know and that's a danger you see you have to really see what is legitimate and what is not and

you have to have an open enough mind to have these conversations which a lot of people claim that they know everything

and I'm a scientist or I'm a materialist and this is whatever you know talking to you children of mine yeah whatever you

know actually ex is a evidence of what you don't know the more you know the more you

realize that there's much more that you don't know and then there's even more that you don't know that you don't

know that's why you know Socrates what say know thyself you start from there we all have extrasensory abilities the

potential for miraculous healing is possible yes uh it's homeostasis it's self-regulation

and we're all moving towards that no matter what state we're in we're all trying to get back to a level of

homeostasis we can all have a level of intuition and synchronicity to get on the right path to meet the opportunity

that we're prepared for in a way that many of us by the way all these things require removal of your ego

identity you have to have a higher intention it's not about me not about me achieving it's looking for the fact that

I tapping into the source to align with a higher purpose or my higher purpose or

the higher being whatever that is the mystery that we call God so one of the biggest steps is to move beyond our

limited in our brain thinking and try and tap into it I've described it and and we've you know heard others describe

it as you're actually there's a vibration that you want to get out of your own internal self and try

everything is a vibration so you're right your body is a vibration even your mind is a vibration you know thoughts

come and go your body at the fundament most fundamental level is an onoff switch which now we know is epigenetics

so you're right absolutely it's a vibration so one of the things I wonder if you can talk us through and um you

know I know it's simple especially for westerners you know we were introduced to yoga and we think that means you put

on you know your sexy pants and you go to a class and it feels great you sweat it out the the the practice and the

implementation of yoga is is only partly what we know of which is poses and you know that that kind of thing which often

in yoga classes you are taught some breathing and maybe some meditation depending on the type um for for those

of us who like Kundalini there's um there's specific mudras and there's mantras that we use and other forms of

yoga as well but can you talk a little bit about and I love your your videos when you do yoga poses and teach people

things they're some of my favorit 78 plus I know this is what I love I just love them but I wonder a lot of people

don't know how to get quiet to get quiet in their body and in their mind and part of the practice of yoga is a journey to

helping us do these things I wonder if you can explain to someone who doesn't know what it feels like or how to start

on the road of how to get quiet so that you can start letting some of the noise go and feel into your intuition exper

with you two okay and those who are listening to us they can join the experiment okay so guys please follow

the instructions very carefully okay okay it's not that complicated you don't have I don't have to take my shirt off

like you do in your videos okay yeah simple question I'm asking you okay are you enjoying this conversation

very much I mean I have one more thing to ask but yes but you yes okay so now what I'm

going to do and guys who are listening and watching us do the same I'm going to ask you the same question but don't

answer it till I raise my hand so same question and answer is yes you're enjoying it yeah but don't answer it so

are you enjoying this conversation yes yes so the question is a thought the answer is a thought in between is you

Consciousness I felt it like I I felt cuz you were just holding that Stillness for a second cuz you had an that's God's

mind okay God's wait do another one you could do it with anything so I'll ask you the same question but don't

answer it at all just slip into it are you enjoying this conversation and what you're experiencing is presence

it's not even the present moment because the present moment is in time this is beyond the present moment it's the

presence of the Divine in you as your soul and that presence hasn't changed since you were a baby okay you were a

teenager an adult all the way to Dusty death but that presence is not in time so it it's beyond birth and death in the

viic in yoga they say water cannot wet it wind cannot dry it weapons cannot shatter it fire cannot burn it it's

ancient it's unborn and it is not subject to death so when you ask an accomplish Yogi what happens to us after

we die the yogi will say I was never born what is born is experience fluctu the vibrations so your vibration is an

on and an off what you just experience is the off between the two ons in the off God's mind God's mind God's mind is

silence everything else is poor translation and there are many ways to do that now that's about yoga just to

clarify yoga there are eight limbs of yoga so the first two are social intelligence and emotional intelligence

the third is what you go to yoga class for which is very brilliant because the original intention of the yoga postures

there are about 35 standard postures sitting postures standing postures lying postures twists forward bents backward

bents period so each posture is a seat of awareness and if you do it with awareness in each posture and they have

names happy baby this that the other you get into that State of Consciousness and ultimately you realize you don't have a

body it's a field of consciousness that's the third limb of yoga the fourth is breathing pranayam to regulate your

autonomic nervous system and EES drop on the subconscious mind done properly that's the key to so that's the fourth

limb the fifth is called prahara which means withdrawal of the senses and getting into your body and navigating

the space inside your body including control of the autonomic nerv system and the last three limbs are the peak which

is focused awareness which is called dhna danan meditation samadi Transcendence those last three is the

course on you know that I'm putting out on psychic abilities last earlier in the conversation you were talking about the

Milky Way and inhabitable planets correct me if I Mard you believe there is we're not alone in the universe that

there is life out there yeah called fmes Paradox originally but you know I was just in conversation last week with the

head of MIT lab Dava Newman and she's part of the Mars exploration and she said all the

evidence shows that Mars had life before and might have right now bacteri your life but she and there are now

Department of astrobiology at Harvard at MIT at the University of Arizona and according to

astrobiologist there is certainly life across the universe as we know it not just microscopic Life as we know it like

this no yeah wait wait wait when you talk about it I'm thinking like there's plants there's bacteria you think that

there might be people having conversations like this if you look at the latest I mean why not you know

quantum mechanics the original interpretation was the Copenhagen interpretation then there are many

others but right now Multiverse and multi Multiverse and many words theory is the most prominent and if you can try

get Sean Carol on your program he was the head of physics at Caltech but now he's gone to Chicago I think but

according to him there are infinite versions of you Across the Universe and that's that you know basically now he's

a physicalist for for him they are real universes but for us they're all in the imagination of the Divine thank you so

much for being here in person thank you for including us in your your life and this iteration of everything you're

bringing um to to humanity and thank you yeah thank you on my bucket list of things I wanted to have happened in the

universe having deepo Chopra explain God love aliens telepathy and psychic ability that that we just covered it I

mean I think we're his favorite podcast I don't know about that that's what I heard from this episode when I first

started exploring you know deepo Chopra doai I was a little bit confused I didn't really kind of understand and we

talked a little bit in our first episode but when I talked to him today day and when we got to sort of connect with him

this way a lot more things kind of lined up in terms of how to use the capabilities to get at those deeper

questions that AI is something that we interact with it's not this sort of you know monolithic thing that is shaping

our reality it is part of the reality that we are shaping as partners with it yes absolutely I mean I'm I'm still like

a little bit struck by him how many versions of me there are in the universe how many were there I need to relisten

to this I mean I'm fascinated by that I'm fascinated by him being the OG of telepathy and he describes an experiment

that it's pretty profound well I mean for the same reasons that it's okay to have skepticism about you know single

reports for sure but the way that he explains it that the connection that someone needs to have with another

person to quote read their mind is not dissimilar from what healers describe from what intense meditators describe

when you can get quiet you can tap into other forms of your own Consciousness and we didn't get to ask him about the

collective Consciousness but that's he effectively confirmed that there is a collective Consciousness if you are then

able to tap into that and Love's the answer like that's the take-home Message Love Is The Answer love is the way that

people can communicate in ways that are beyond the material world I mean yes I there's so much here that it feels

almost hard to start to even like talk about it because you know what I was thinking while he's saying is this is

the philosophical explanation of extrasensory ability developing your Intuition or learning

you know when he when he talked about how yogis will say oh yes of course remote viewing exists or you can predict

the future but those are only examples to show that Consciousness exists in a nonmaterial plane right I'm I'm thinking

about Jill Bolly Taylor and when her um left hemisphere went offline as she was having a stroke what she started seeing

was essentially pixelation she started seeing uh energetic movement like that is all that's happening is kind of the

way to frame it so it's doesn't matter if Aristotle tries to describe it or Jesus tries to describe it or yogis try

and describe it or someone on mushrooms tries to describe it philosophy quantum mechanics the spiritual experience it's

all the same and if you're taking one step towards that drugs no no if you're taking one step towards that it's

opening your mind to the idea that it's possible when he says that we don't see what we don't believe

believe the first step to changing your life radically and experiencing a limitless experience or the ability to

manifest or create the life you want is to really start to imagine the possibility that it's that it can happen

and and I'm going to give the super practical take-home message that means you have to learn how to breathe and

start paying attention to your body that's it like that's that's how you get there and for you you start to get away

from reactivity you start to break the pattern you no matter no matter what you would like

to have happen no matter if you would like to heal your body no matter if you would like to make more money no matter

if you would like to understand your partner better no matter if you would like to you know understand your gender

identity whatever it is there is one starting point and it doesn't matter if that's going to take you off into moving

to Canada and backpacking around the world or if it's going to take you away from the relationship you thought was

working or if it's going to catapult you into a whole different way of looking at your hormone issues whatever it is the

starting place for any of this you cannot get there from here the starting place is to say why do people keep

telling me to slow down to meditate to listen to My Breath what the heck is that there is not one size fits all but

yes the fact that like what he's talking about is can you slow down enough to feel what it feels like when you're

enjoying a convers ation and not just say here's the reason I liked it I'm going to take a picture and put it on

Instagram right it's fine to do those things but that's the level that our brains can start to apply change is from

understanding that quietness what does it mean to learn your breath and it's a process it doesn't happen the first time

can you get to the level of touching other aspects of Consciousness through meditation sure but that may not be the

goal the goal may be what does it feel like to get quiet and to start being open and that's the creativity and

that's where intuition comes from that was a great explanation from our breakdown to the one we hope you never

have on all the Multiverse possibility planets we'll see you next Time's Got a neuroscience PhD or

two now she's going to break down a break down she's going to break it down