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But I am for sure and certain that there is a a form of a really advanced physics or or an area of physics that we have never seen a level of technology that we do not have the capabilities of and it's it's almost terrifying. um the the last the last revelations that I have seen is it it um it's if you know whether it's China or it's other either way it's um it's it's an onlogical shock. Well, General Mccasland definitely is connected to the UAP topic and I know that he is someone that we have been wanting to try to talk to. I know Grush has um attempted to to communicate with him and uh and he's been actually I'm surprised that anything is happening or that has something that has happened to him given the fact that he has been pretty difficult to communicate on he every time that anybody's reached out to him he's said that he has nothing to say on the topic. So uh maybe may I don't know but he certainly we believe that he has a lot to say about this topic. just seems like a pants on fire moment for a guy like him, whether there's UFO involvement or not, for him to just vanish, possibly abducted by foreign interests or or others, that that's a huge moment. Now, the story is kind of picking up steam in mainstream media finally, but gez, it it seems like it should be front and center. This is weaponized. This is Weaponized. I'm George Knap here in Las Vegas, joined by my friend and colleague, Jeremy Corbel. Jeremy, how you doing? Doesn't look like you're at home. >> I I feel at home anywhere I go, George. I really do. >> Secret location. Is this your hideout? >> Uh, it's not my hideout, but it is absolutely a secret location. Yeah. Um, you know, we've been we are in frequent contact with members of Congress. We'll call them up and chat on a Zoom or something like that. It's mostly private conversations just to to stay in touch and and know how we can help him or what's going on. Uh, one of the guys we talk to often, Representative Eric Burlesen of Missouri. And, you know, he's done a bunch of interviews. He makes himself very available um to media who have questions for him, you know, and they face questions about, you know, that he and the other congressional champions for UFO disclosure uh face challenges. I mean, on a daily basis and uh about their interest in UFOs and the fact, you know, it doesn't help them very much in the big picture. uh members of the House, you know, run for reelection every two years. Uh and uh today we are joined by this guy, one of the most dedicated members of Congress when it comes to UFO truth and transparency, uh Representative Berles. You know, many of you have likely seen clips uh of other interviews he's done. You know, we stay in touch, but you got an interview with him. We've been looking to do this for a while, get him back on weaponized to talk about current events. And this was recorded for our the benefit of our audience. Recorded in two sessions over the last week. And I'll tell you, Jeremy, every time I look at a transcript of those conversations, I want to kick myself in the butt for not asking X or Y, some other question that occurs to me too late. Well, we got them. We covered a lot of current events as well as the political realities that face members like him. >> Yeah. And you know, I I've been debating this. I I don't think we should cut anything out. I think that um what we talked about, you know, look, it's my job to be a harpoon sometimes. Um that's my role is to try to like just really poke the ribs and say, you know, what can you say? And sometimes I feel bad cuz they're friends of ours, you know, um I did that to Dr. Latsky, but look, it turned out okay. So that's just how I am. It's no disrespect. I I want to poke and see. Um so I think we just let it all play and I think um people will enjoy the personality of somebody that they've got some misconceptions about a guy that's fought so hard with Rep. Luna, with Rep. uh Burchett, with others who will never be named. I'm really grateful he gave us time. Man, he's given other people time. So, you know, but I'm grateful he gave us some time, you know. So that's really neat today that people get to witness, you know, what is often just a private conversation. >> Yeah. He's right in the middle of something pretty important. Now I, you know, like like you, we have uh expectations about how successful his quest might be, but he got the green light to go ahead and visit classified locations where supposedly there's there are UFO connections, facilities. I I don't think he expected to find alien bodies anywhere, but just the fact that he gets in the door is amazing. I I I wish we could go along with him. Um anyway, we're going to talk about that as well as General McCasslin, the missing general, and a lot of other stuff in this these two conversations. >> Yeah, man. I can't wait. You know, I um fancy myself Inspector Crusoe that doesn't know it cuz I think he was really smart, right? But he acted kind of dumb. Uh, but he always got the case solved, you know. So, I'm like in a special that doesn't know it, but I think Rep. Berles, and tell me if I'm getting this wrong. You've told me about Donkey Hot. Is there a any comparison between Donkeyote and our understanding of Rep Berles because I don't know the story. >> Uh, well, there's a phrase uh about Don Hody tilting at windmills. Uh, you know, which is he's fighting a windmill, an impossible uh task, something he cannot possibly win. And that may be true for Representative Berles and Representative Luna Burchett and the others in both houses of Congress who are trying to chase this down because as you and I have said many times on this program, the keepers of the secrets are really good at their job. H they can not only hide stuff for a long time from the public, but also from members of Congress. And uh Representative Burlesen is digging in his heels. He's doing the heavy lifting. And here's our conversations with him. Representative Burlson, thanks for joining us. We don't have much time, so let's jump right to it. You recently took a field trip to Pax River. Can you tell us what your expectations were going in, and then can you describe the trip and what you saw? >> You know, guys, I I can't really I have not publicly said that that that I've taken the trip to Pax River at this time. And so, >> okay. Um I'm being extremely cautious about where I've gone so far because um but I have gone to a facility. I've gone to a location um that is the first on you know on the on a list of hopefully many locations and I and what I'm trying to do is not jeopardize um you make the not jeopardize for future trips and and but believe me at the end of this I will be making making it very public. But you what were your expectations going into the undisclosed lo location? Uh because you know they know you're coming. If there is something there to hide, it's hidden from you, I would think. Right. >> Yeah, it is. And and honestly, the location that we went to was was more of um I had been told that there's nothing there that's current and so that they're not going to like pull a curtain and you're going to see something at this moment. But at least you're able to see I was able to see facilities that that um you know facilities that explain some of the stories that I've heard, right? And so um able to see that and um which kind of fleshes out some of the narratives um that that have happened and and sat down with, you know, a particular individual that I've wanted to meet with for some time that I could only meet at that location and in a secure setting. And um and so I finally was able to get that meeting put together. >> Can I ask >> and and I'll tell you that meeting was remarkable. I had to really really stretch my brain. This individual was was extremely advanced in his in his in his intelligence and knowledge and and I am I am a like like a no like a baby novice in quantum physics. And um but I but I will say I walked when we walked out of that room I I'm I'm I'm proud to say that I'm next to the person we we spoke with I knew more than everybody else in the in the room. So at least I was able to keep up more than others were. >> Can I ask you this? So the the world has reported that you went to Pax River. You didn't say that but the world has already reported that. That was their guess. And I know that you're trying to be protected because it sounds like you have a number of other facilities that you've been allowed access to in the near future. And I know that you will tell us what you see or don't see. But if I had to guess, people told you that there was a $10 million facility that was built to hold non-human intelligence craft or parts of those craft that um that was a transfer from Loheed Martin after it failed with OAP. Actually, something like that. Maybe I've got it wrong, but when you say you sat with somebody, was the tone that UFOs are real and that our government has been working on them, or was the tone that UFOs are not real and we haven't been working on them? So the tone that I got was that from the knowledge of the people that are working there today that there that they had no knowledge or awareness of any UAP um non non-human intelligence material or or aspects um which you know look there's lots of turnover. It could it could be historical. we could have, which is why a lot of times we're what we're hearing is people that that have retired from the military or retired from intelligence are coming forward. Um, but yeah, currently active on that site, the people that I spoke with adamantly denied anything related to non-human intelligence. And and is there a chance in your mind that because you were told specifically by multiple people that you would go there to see nothing that this facility was built to hold something and it was it was constructed for $10 million but you would see nothing. >> Is there any part of your mind >> 10 million I think the 10 million doesn't scratch the surface Jeremy I think it was I don't remember the exact number but I think the facility was a lot more than 10 million. So, does it cross your mind? >> I'll just say this. I'll say this. I think the hanger doors probably cost 10 million >> just the doors alone. >> So, so does it. So, that's amazing because we know I know George knows there was 10 million allocated for this separate site. We know who, you know, designated the building of it, but there's probably dark money. But here's the question. The question is really simple which is that is there any part of your mind that is suspicious of why they let you come see nothing and then told you that they don't have any knowledge of NHI equipment. Is there anything in you that thinks maybe I was told to go there so I could be told that and tell the world and that's the end of the story? Do you think that they they gave you a dog and pony show? >> Um, no. I do not. based on the in based on the information that I've been given from um David Crush and and others that had some in insights there. So >> So you really believe that they don't know? >> Yeah, I really believe >> I I don't I don't think that they would lie to a member of Congress. Um and I don't think that they gave me a dog and pony show. What I what I make up, Jeremy, is that um and what what I was able to ascertain is that there is there is a facility that had a purpose. Um it serves it serves a great purpose today and it's a necessary facility. Um it I think it had a broader purpose than the UAP topic, but it but it would be a perfect location if you were to do um reverse engineering of a UAP. It would be the perfect location to do something like that. >> President Trump gave you the green light to visit these assorted places you'd like to see that may have something to do with the UFO mystery. Uh he also issued a directive in response to something former President Obama said. And he this directive generally said, "Hey, if you've got UFO files, release them." I'd like to get your take on that. Do you think it needs something stronger than just a directive such as an executive order? And how does he uh does it also require declassification of files that you know are going to be withheld? >> So that's a great question. I do think it needs to have an executive order. Um from conversations I've had with um with with with um others in his administration, it seems like that they are that they're they're they're planning for or may that you may see an executive order come out. I think that right now they don't really know exactly what they want that to say uh what they what he want what he wants to have in that executive order at this time. Um but I will say the statement that he made um has really lit a fire in in the whether it's department of war or intelligence you know the intelligence community it has lit a fire and and really given them the green light that they've been act the way the from what I what the conversation went with me is that you know when they said that uh we've we have had a hard time prioritizing this because it's not been a priority. At the end of the day, we serve at the pleasure of the president. And if it's not a priority of the president, then it's hard to justify using resources on something that's a low priority. But now that the president has given us that green light and just simply, you know, sending that social media tweet or or truth, they now have feel like they have a green light and they are dedicating resources, more resources than I I believe have ever been dedicated before to this topic. And so, um, I'm seeing I'm seeing urgency and and a and a motivation on this. We've heard comments that you've made elsewhere about a new organization higher than Arrow, different organizations, entities, three-letter uh agencies that are involved now in this process. Is that a result of this order or was that already in the in the works? I think that there was so the administration came in it was evaluating Arrow you know the the the success and the failures of Arrow and what what how they can do what they can do to make it better and I think that this I think that they're they're exploring ma doing something of that of that kind where they're giving a kind of formal board that has much greater authority o across you know that would have much greater authority to actually direct the actions that I mean Arrow has the authority to get the all the information in the world but they can't as I've put it before they they're not the bosses of people right so they're going to people and politely asking for them to spend time and resources gathering the these documents and information that they do have authority to see and there's no denying that they that they don't have the authority to see that. So um but at the end of the day everybody that they're trying to work with al has a boss who has given them things to work on and that's not that's that if that's not in their priority list then it may it may fall behind. So a lot of times people are frustrated with the slowness of arrow or um you know but and that's that may be a function of that certainly. So I have like rapid fire just five questions I want to >> before you get to that before I would say the other thing is that arrow um you know they they could ask to see something and then request for that to be declassified and don't have the authority because they're requesting it from another entity to declassify. So, um I think that part of part of this needs to be that this this broad broader overarching group needs to be the ones directing that um ba based on the advice of Arrow and they need to make it happen. >> Okay. So, I've got six questions. Um rapid fire unless you want to expand just basic fundamentals and if you want to disclose more about this go ahead. Do you find Matthew Brown credible and honest? >> I do. Yeah, I do find him credible and honest and um and I and I think that I think that he's um he's an American patriot. I think that he loves his country. He wants to do the right thing. I think he's morally compelled to uh to be involved in this topic. And so, but I also know him to be someone who protects um with fervor um national national secrets. >> Absolutely. You know that he recorded with us this last weekend and that we are going to release what he believes to be accurate and true and that's going to cause some waves because of what we recorded if what he's saying is accurate and true. So my next question is, do you find ODNI, the soldiers, the agents on the UAP issue right now for Tulsi? Tulsi is separate. Tulsi is a gangster. I trust Tulsi. Do you trust OD and I, the agents on the UAP topic right now that Matthew actually and Dylan Borland and a bunch of people had to meet with, do you find them to be genuine and honest without names? I I really would would and I I apologize, but I really don't want to I'm going to decline to comment because I don't want to jeopardize any relationships that I have. Beautiful answer. Next question. And you don't got to answer anything I ask you, Eric. I'm I'm I'm Rep. Berles, you don't got to answer anything I ask you. Thank you for your time. Last four questions. Okay. Well, I'll just put it on record. I I do not trust um what's going on with OD and I under the nose of Tulsi. a personal opinion informed one though. Do you trust Arrow? So I got four more. Do you trust Arrow if they are given power like you are saying? Do you trust them to be honest with the American public or do you think they're going to be another project blue book? We'll call it Project Blue Box. >> Um I I I like the new administrator at Arrow better than the previous one. So my my level of trust has improved and and and and I'll leave it at that. I I'll say this. I'll just blanketly say, Jeremy, I will stick by the original statement that I said to David Grush in the very first hearing before we had even known each other is that I don't I don't trust government at all. I I really just don't generally have a sense of distrust for for government. >> Okay. Um, but but but then again, like I'm having conversations with people. I don't I I I I I don't um I don't think that it's their desire goal to lie to me. But um but you you always have to be skeptical somebody. >> Yeah. I mean, look, it's very simple. It's math. Somebody's lying. It's either David Grush and it's Matthew Brown and it's Dylan Borland and it's Eric Davis and it's Al Putoff and it's Jay Stratton and it's you name the list. or OD and I is lying. So the question becomes and not Tulsi but her soldiers. So here's the last four questions very simple. Is you've worked with David Grush now a whistleblower that became an employee of Congress and yours you fought for that. Is David Grush worthy of our trust publicly? >> I think so. I think so. And um you know he's gone through the ringer and um and and it's and I I think that he you know people think that I will say there's a narrative out there that they're that they're going to try to say oh all of these guys are just trying to grift and make money and I just can tell you firsthand that is not the case. they they've made tremendous sacrifices financially um and and it has not been to their benefit >> and personal safety which the world will find out about because it's already recorded. So now last three questions if it were PAX river that you went to that will create drama because of what people are going to learn now. Do you think you will see UFOs in the other facilities that you are scheduled to go see? Yes or no? Do you think you're going to see non-human intelligence craft? Yes or no? >> Um, some of some of them I'm I won't and some of them I might. >> Well, I mean, one would be amazing. That that would just be lifechanging that we're not alone and that >> it would be. >> Okay. So that's the goal. That's the goal is to find that needle in the haststack >> and you there's no needle. I know exactly where you need to go and so do other people and they've informed you. So the question is are you going to be shown it if it exists and if it does one is enough. That's all we need. And then we know there's been a cover up and and everybody else like David Grush, Matthew Brown, Dylan Borland, Jay Stratton, Hal Putoff, you name them. They've been telling the truth the whole way along. Lu Alzando has been telling as much truth as he could all the way around. last three questions and then George is going to take over. What do you know or what do you now believe after your first site visit? Summarize it. >> Um what what I now so what I came into this topic thinking that it was probably just like complete hogwash that there was no such thing as as um non-human int or you know aliens visiting us from another planet. Um, but I was open, you know, open to the possibilities. Uh, now I now I know for sure that there's something that's happening. I am not I'm not eliminating the possibility that that it could be China, but but I am for sure and certain that there is a a form of a really advanced physics or or an area of physics that we have never seen, a level of technology that we do not have the capabilities of. And it's it's almost terrifying. uh the the last the last revelations that I have seen is it it um it's if you know whether it's China or it's other either way it's um it's it's an ontological shock >> revelations that you have personally seen that the American public has not been allowed to see. Is that correct? >> I would say yes. >> Thank thank you for your honesty. I really appreciate it. Just last question. >> Well, go ahead. >> No, you go ahead. >> I'm I'm keep going. >> Okay. Last question I have is should George and I with whistleblowers reveal crimes that have been committed relating to the cover up of UAP? If we know and can prove that there were mortal crimes related to UAP, should George Knapp and I release that? Should we tell? >> Absolutely. I'm all about transparency and and I I think if you've got if you've got information, you should be releasing it >> by name. >> Yeah. If you if you have proof that's that an individual has committed a crime >> publicly. >> Yeah. I mean, you're the press. That's why we need the fourth estate. So, >> what is the next step for this disclosure thing that we're experiencing? >> We have several next steps. One is we just sent a letter to Pete Hexith Tulsi, to Chris Wright, and to uh I'm blanking, but we we we just sent a letter. was signed by myself and and many other members of Congress and we're basically reiterating what the president has said and then asking for to for a a a disclosure to members of Congress and then and further I I gave them a list of files that I've become aware of that um that that we gave them the names and the dates of these files and I have people who are monitoring these files to see if anything happens to them, whether they're deleted or changed or or whatever. >> Explain that. So, you have a list of of files that I assume you obtained from journalists or people like that that are of UFOs allegedly and you want to see them. And so, you're monitoring right now if they get deleted before you're given access. Is that what you're saying? I have I have someone monitoring it. Yes. >> And you were given a list of videos um from journalists maybe. >> Um yes. Um between from journalists and the and the UAP disclosure fund. Uh we've got a list. >> That is so cool. So >> I'm going to get more. I've I've just I've spoken with a recent individual who's who who reached out to me that's that's giving me a lot a bigger list as well and I'll be adding that to the I'll be sending another letter as soon as I get that. >> Amazing. So is like um can you speak if if if Dylan Borland if um Lu Lzando are they worthy of public trust to the best of your knowledge? >> Yeah. You know, look, I don't I don't think anybody I I've yet to I've I've had one individual that I'm pretty confident was lying to me. Most people are not lying. >> Who is lying? >> I don't I I don't want to say because I don't want to create an enemy here. Should the press, meaning me and George and others, put out the UFO videos that we may have obtained over the decades, um, if as long as they don't hurt national security, should we put it all out and let people see as much as we can do without harming national security? >> Absolutely, Jeremy. I mean, if if somebody gives you information, you're the press. I think the the American public expects you to release it. >> I have a duty, right? Yes, Congressman, as as you know, uh the intelligence agencies, the keepers of the secrets, whoever they might be, are really good at their job. your endeavor now, the the the attempt and the plan to visit various sites, talk to people at various secret sites. Um, what do you think the chances are that you'll get information that would sort of confirm what your suspicions are in light of how good these folks are at hiding things, including hiding them from Congress? >> That's a good question. I I don't really think that um I think that the odds are not very good that they're going to pull a curtain and show me an alien or or some kind of craft. But I do think that it's worth going to these locations to at least understand the narrative, understand the context of of of all of the stories and narratives that we've heard and then kind of piece together and and say, well, if I don't see something here, maybe there's there is something that explains that this is a good location where things where if you were going to put if you were going to have a laboratory where you're working on biologics, this clearly would be a great and you in in one at least it would might validate some of the stories, right? So, I think that there's there's value in in it going there even knowing that that it's likely that they're going to move things before I get there. >> What are the chances that you would actually could be discouraged from pursuing it further? Say you go to location A, B, and C. The people there all tell you the same thing. Aha, that's a crazy myth. here's what we've been doing. People confused it with UFOs and it's all a bunch of nonsense created by these crazies online. Is there a point where they could actually, you know, they're really good at at changing perceptions and in occasionally misleading Congress. Any chance they could discourage you or other members from thinking that this is real, that there's something worth pursuing? you know, you only got so much time to to deal with this and so much you can't dedicate 100% of your time on on this topic. Uh but I do think for me I I've just in obs observing Arrow for example and watching Kurpatre whenever I met with him a lot of people have had differing opinions about about him but what I picked up was that they had they had become discouraged themselves that they at least that's what they they relayed to me in not so many words that that they followed up on a lot of leads didn't get anywhere. I don't want to become like that. I don't want to I don't want to let it get to me, which generally in politics, I've not let things get to me. Um, and so I I just I will just continue to be that happy warrior trying to trying to look for for whatever truth I can find. >> One sort of other big uh picture question and Jeremy can jump in here. Uh, you know, for as a member of Congress, as you just mentioned, you have all kinds of priorities on your on your plate all the time. There's always something more pressing than UFOs. I mean, we've got this war in Iran, oil prices going crazy, the controversy over the Epstein files, the the the tariffs. There's always something more pressing for you to deal with. Same for the president. You know, he issued this order. Hey, I want all the files. And, you know, since then, all hell has broken loose. I I seriously doubt UFOs is a very high priority for him. The same thing for you, right? U I mean, it seems like at some point, as you said, you can only don donate so much time to to this issue. >> That's right. I mean, I've got I I gave a speech at one of my local community events and I rattled off a list of about 20 different bills that I'm sponsoring. um some legislation that we've successfully passed some huge um constituent wins um in the in the district that it took literally for me to pass a bill through the word or the water resource development act language and um and the work that I'm doing on the the the wins that I was able to get in the one big beautiful bill um all of all of those policy wins the the and the work that I'm currently working on with the healthc care reform package that we're that we're trying to get pushed and and then I say at the end of that I say but but then there's but the one thing that everyone wants to talk about is the UAP UFO topic and so look I do a lot of I would say 95% of the work that I'm doing is is not UAP but that does not get any attention whatsoever. It's the UAP topic that is a 100% of the media requests, interview requests, and all of that. You guys didn't call me on to ask me about the, you know, the the inc the encroachment issues at Table Rock Lake where I live, but that that topic, for example, has probably taken up a good 20% of my time and efforts, but gets no press, no attention whatsoever. And is it your constituents when you made that that speech to that group, are they with you on that? Do they respond to it? Are they asking you questions about UAP? I there I do have some constituents that really care about the topic and are very intrigued about it. I find what's interesting is I'll be traveling at the through an airport. U the other day I was walking through the Atlanta airport and someone came running from behind the Wendy's counter and came up to me and said, "Are is your name Eric?" And I said, "Yes." And you and I said that because that that can go one way or another. It could go a really bad direction or it could be go a good direction. And they wanted to thank me for the work that we've been doing on disclosure. So it is nice to hear from people who care about this topic. >> Jeremy Ref B, you have been accused before of just really talking to anybody. It's one of the most charming things about you is that you seem to be willing to to give your value. >> I'm talking to you guys >> and I'm going to accuse you of having a good sense of humor now, too. Watch out. Um, yeah, man. And so, it's just like you've been accused of that, man. Is that you know, you'll you'll talk to people and you'll go on small podcasts, big podcasts, you you'll you'll go on niche podcasts. You'll you'll give your time so much. And I I really appreciate that about you. We all we all only have limited time. Is there like a philosophy cuz you know to be on the nose. Um you know you've also been photographed around those alleged like alien bodies and you know people put all these thoughts on you and they say well he believes this or he believes that. But I've from knowing you, there's a philosophy you have about why you give your time and why you kind of look for yourself rather than just hear what people say. This guy's telling the truth, this guy's not. Can you explain for our viewers your your philosophy on like why you make yourself accessible as a congressperson, a representative in representative government? you know, even before this topic, uh, on any political issue, you you never really want to just only talk to one one individual. You in any any if you want to get a full and complete picture of something, you want to talk to as many people that have an interest in something as possible. Um, any any as many stakeholders as you can talk to, even the ones that hate each other. And I think that that's that's kind of the way I go about this is that I'm not going to uh pick a tribe or pick a camp. I'm I'm going to go about this objectively and that means I'm going to listen and sit down with anybody. There are reports in UFO media that you were received uh death threats if you didn't do X remove some names from a sensitive document. Is that being blown out of proportion or did that happen? >> So let me clarify. I didn't receive a death threat. I was told that there I was told that there were two names on on a list of people that I was looking through that would that to and I was warned to not to not reach out to those individuals because they because they have the capabilities and would have no problem having someone like me killed, which I found startling. Um, but you know, I've I've heard that from in the narrative of this topic. This isn't the first time I've heard about that and the dangers of this, but it was the first time that that that I got I would say that's probably the closest to that that I've come. >> McCasten, Jeremy, you you were wondering about Masslin, General McCasslin, right? In that same vein for >> Yeah, kind of. I mean, I don't know a lot about it, but I guess the first question I have for you is like, you know, George and I have had certain experiences that it's hard to convey to someone, you know, who doesn't want to understand the truth about this. Um, do you believe that that is true? So, you've been told that you can be murdered or eliminated as a sitting congressperson. You know, I know presidents have there have been attempts on them, so we know crazy people do stuff, but do you believe that just your inquiry into this subject could indeed spur a a mortal threat to you? Do you believe that? You were told that, but do you believe that? if you you know if any of the stories are true about some of the crimes that have been taking place uh if if any of that's true I do believe that and and um and so I I and I know just from working with some some individuals David and Jake Barber that I I could tell that they really mean it when they when they have feared for their lives on this topic. Yeah, you you can you you can see it, but also there's evidence that they should be fearing for their well-being. You know, really famously, my my friend uh Duncan Trussell was on Joe Rogan's podcast and Duncan kind of defended me or not defended, he said something. He goes, "Jeremy and George have to be careful because they're walking on a razor's edge. If if he's he's talking about me, he says if he says something wrong, you know, they could kill him for it." And it was like a a comment because he knows stuff about me that other people don't. Um, and Joe said something like, "Man, it just sounds like a bad spy novel." And I I don't disagree. It does sound like a bad spy novel. However, unfortunately, I believe what you believe that there are people that will murder people for for getting too close to the truth on the UFO topic. And I also believe with evidentiary information w with evidence that corroborates that that could be exactly how it is. So now I want to ask you about General McCasslin because man when I heard that a buddy of mine made a joke said and and his bo and he's he's missing though. He's missing. We don't know what's going on with General McCasslin, but there are two people that have been found dead. And George knows all about it. And in our world, in UFO land, people think it's connected. So, two questions, you know. First, my buddy said we got a threebody problem, you know, kind of making a joke like, "Dude, where is this general?" So, my question to you is, um, do you know about anything? Do do you believe that this is connected in any way to the UFO thing? just your belief and then two do you know anything that I don't because I don't know a lot about that case. >> Well, General Mc Masland definitely is connected to the UAP topic and I know that he is someone that we have been wanting to try to talk to. I know Grush has um attempted to to communicate with him and uh and he's been actually I'm surprised that anything is happening that has something that has happened to him given the fact that he has been pretty difficult to communicate on. He every time that anybody's reached out to him, he's said that he has nothing to say on the topic. So, uh maybe may I don't know, but he certainly we believe that he has a lot to say about this topic. just seems like a pants on fire moment for a guy like him, whether there's UFO involvement or not, for him to just vanish, possibly abducted by foreign interests or or others. That that's a huge moment. Now, the story is kind of picking up steam in mainstream media finally, but geez, it it seems like it should be front and center. Certainly as important as the missing mom of a newscaster. >> Yeah, it should be. It's it is really disturbing to see anybody disappear, but particularly one that we've been that that we believe has a lot of information. There's a couple things that Jeremy and I have been wanting to ask you for a while. We'll take this opportunity and thank you again for your time. The Wall Street Journal put out a story that seemed aimed at Congress. Actually, two stories aimed at Congress to discourage people like you from asking too many questions about this subject. They said that generations of Air Force officers have been indoctrinated, tricked into believing that the UFOs and aliens are real and that this has been ongoing for many years and that's why there's so much interest in crash saucers and alien bodies is because the Air Force made this up. Seems to me that that would be something that Congress would like to get to the bottom of. Did you guys really do this? Cuz it's ridiculous. It would be ridiculous. Yeah, if that's the kind of hazing that's going on, that's it's extremely disturbing if that's if this is literally just a, you know, a hazing exercise. I I don't think it is. I I think that um you know, when when people are looking through files and and they're reaching out to me because they've seen files, um I I I I tend to think that it's more than just just some people spreading rumors at the bar at the local bar. I I think that this is I mean what what they've even said is that there was a um they tried to say that there was a like a briefing that is that was a complete and bogus fake briefing on this topic. Well, that that's that's extremely disturbing if that's the case. Yeah. And the story about Area 51, same newspaper publishes a story. Oh, yeah. All that was created by the Air Force. They gave some phony UFO photos to some bar owner and that's where the legend came from. If that was their plan, that's pretty darn stupid, I would say, because as a result of their photos supposedly, tens of thousands of people from all over the world, every major news organization in the world has gone to one of our most secretive, most classified bases, and they're still out there every single day looking around at what's flying in the sky. That sounds like a bad plan if it's true, which it isn't. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it just makes any no sense whatsoever. >> Yeah. Just to be clear, I think that was what I'll call false journalism by a guy named Joel Shechman. Is that the article we're talking about, George? >> Y. >> Yeah. So, I like, you know, to be clear, there were so many lies in that article. I was so sad to read it because they're verifiably false. So, I don't know why a good journalist would ever get verifiably false things into print. So, it felt to me like that was intentional, but I'm just a knucklehead, so who knows? But it felt like that. Um, I guess my my question for you is I am aware that the people that, you know, they're saying were deceived, you know, by just like being tricked, um, none of them feel that they've been deceived. In fact, they know they haven't been deceived. So, I think we should listen to the hundreds of people that they're trying to talk about and and and what they have to tell us is that they weren't deceived and they and they can they can verify that. Just put them up in Congress with their hand up and they can verify that. So, maybe we can get to the bottom of that. >> Yeah. Well, I don't I don't know that I need to do that. I think just have we're talking with Grush. I think that Grush um you know flatly you know he you know denied that article called it for what it was which is why I haven't spent a whole lot of time uh focused on that article. Back to the political side of this for a moment. Um you know for you and Representative Luna Burchett the other folks in both houses who are out in front on this issue. uh you know, you members of the House, you're always running for reelection. You're constantly in campaign mode. I can't imagine that the UFO issue helps you in terms of raising money, which you have to do if you're going to stay there. Um, is it an overall negative? I mean, I know you're interested, they're interested in the issue, but is it an overall negative for you given that the the time you devote to it really is not in your own uh political interest, is it? >> It it is. It's an overall negative. It hasn't been a positive. Uh the and and like my campaign I'll just be honest. My campaign manager said really encouraged me to stop um looking into this or go taking interviews and focusing on this because it's it's it's a distraction from the campaign efforts. Um and um that you know it but but look, I don't do things because I I'm not governed or motivated by what gets me elected. I I do things because I think that it's the right thing to do. Um I gave up a a great career at a great profession and a lot more money to do this. So I'm going to do what I think is right. >> Looking back now at the hearings that you've held, I mean those are very dramatic moments in some of them. They got a lot of coverage. It elevated the um the position of this issue terms of credibility and and other mainstream media uh coverage over the years. Has it been worth it uh all that effort? And do you think the future of hearings, will there be more of them or you think that it's run its course? >> We may have more hearings. Um I'm not going to I'm not going to eliminate that as a possibility. I think that we've had a really good run of of individuals, yourself included, that have come forward with so much information. Um, I think it's now my focus is trying to find the physical hard evidence and taking the the the the all of the information that we've gathered from these hearings and trying to track down the truth or or any kind evidence that can lead us to the to to point to the truth of what has been said. And so that's what that's what our we're that's what I'm spending my time focused on at this point. >> Jeremy to ask you the last I'm sorry. Go ahead, Jeremy. No, no, go ahead. First, >> Jeremy, I'd ask you the last time we spoke a few days ago about particular information that's come your way about videos and documents that are known to exist uh but have never been uh obtained by Congress. Are you kind of watching that with the idea that maybe you know they're there, you don't have them yet, if ever, but that they might disappear uh before you can get them? >> I am. Yeah, I've got I know of I know of video files and documents that exist. U I have people uh that have that have given me the names of these files. We've we've just recently sent a request for those files and and then we're monitor we're having people monitor any activity to see if those files were deleted or the names changed or moved or or anything like that, >> you know, or if you were to get a file and it wasn't the one that was named that, you probably have people that could tell you. And and that's I think important too. And all of this to say, question, um, George and I have been receiving some very disturbing testimony from from individuals, you know, uh, military intelligence individuals who are actually just questioned by, I'm just going to say it, um, ODNI. They were questioned by them about UFOs. But the predominant theme that we're receiving now is that they were questioned and told you can come in as a whistleblower and you are protected. You can say anything. You are protected. However, all of a sudden the people that questioned them are saying they've all lied. they've all done things that could be legally compromising to them by coming forward and or or that they've been tricked. Like we're talking top dogs in in the field that work for the government in physics and stuff that they've just been tricked. I fear, Representative Berles, a real fear of mine is that within ODNI, underneath Tulsi Gabbert's nose, unless they're telling it like it is, and they really didn't find anything, I fear and I pretty much know that they're spinning it and and that really concerns me. Do you have any pressure in Congress from ODNI of people trying to dissuade you that that people like David Grush are telling you the truth? Like Matthew Brown are telling you the truth, like Dylan Borland are telling you the truth, like Hal Putoff is telling the truth. Do you have people trying to dissuade you of that from within OD and I? >> I think that we're getting a mixed bag. I think that we're getting some people that that um that have a very skeptical view of of some of the whistleblowers and people that have come forward and so they're looking for they're they're looking for any flaws and in and in and who they are and what they what their narrative is. Um and that's not to be, you know, that's that's not exactly a horrible thing. I think that you need to have some people that are very skeptical and and try to look for that. But but I also think that it's going to be hard to discredit the number of whistleblowers that have come forward because there have been so many come forward and eventually uh what what it it I think what's happening is the the flooding of the zone is working. You're having a lot of people you can't say everybody's crazy that's coming forward or everyone's bot or everybody's grifting. So, I I do think that uh now that doesn't mean that that there aren't some that are grifting. That certainly is also a possibility, but it but not everybody. And so, I think that you've got to I think that from my perspective in talking with people with within that group is that it's a mixed bag. You've got people that are truly diligently trying to I think they're all truly diligently trying to get to the bottom of things. Um, and I think that just like myself, I I naively think that that uh I may naively be thinking that they that everybody is is uh really is is telling me the truth. ODNI is in the same boat as I am. They're trying to investigate. They're going to some of these facilities and locations. They're being told that there's nothing there there. and and what and I don't know that they have the authority to continue to go further than that. But I do think that now if they've got some resources behind them on this effort, they're dedicating more people to this topic. It's a it's one of the it's moved up in priority. I think that it it I think I'm hoping hopeful that we'll see some progress made. >> I have one last question and then Jeremy, you can take it if you want. Uh, I know you can't specify what locations you've visited and which ones are on your list to still visit u because they're very sensitive places, but there is one place that I would suggest you should visit. It's not a classified location and I want to see if you have any interest in going there. Skinwalker Ranch. Um, because I guess we could ask Brandon, the owner, if I'm sure he would welcome you if you ever wanted to go there. Got to worry about hitchhikers though. But, uh, any interest Um, you know, if if I have time in the schedule, um, I'd be I I'll take a look. Um, I have somewhat of an interest. Yeah, >> he's trying to use you as bait. He He tried to use me as bait for, you know, whatever's at Skinwalker Ranch. Um, we might cut this part out, but I I wanted to make sure I said this on record to you so that it is on record that I've said this to a sitting congressperson, which is that I'm not sure that you are aware, but congressional record was fabricated fabricated on one of the times that we did a UAP hearing. Um it was the time that they chose a journalist um named Michael Shelum Schillburgger Shelonburgger when they used him. There's a whole story, but I wanted you to know and I want the public to know because I didn't I don't know if you're aware, but you can ask Representative Burchett, Representative Luna, but somebody fabricated congressional record by putting up a blank page about Immaculate Constellation. And people thought it was me upset saying somebody else turned in my homework. It wasn't that. I was trying to warn people that if you trust the wrong journalist that you are trusting somebody who you should who is not worthy of your trust. And I that a lot of that was a setup to get people to trust a journalist who is not worthy of their trust because that guy will sell you out faster than you can blink. So, were were you aware that somebody within the staff of Nancy Mace fabricated the congressional record? Full stop. >> So, I don't I don't really know much of the details about that. I only heard about that after the fact, probably even a week later. So, and and in looking into it, um I I it it did not seem it's not on a on a priority for me. I was looking at the content of the document, not the not the front cover letter, if you will. And what I was was what I was told is the front cover letter was removed because it seemed to have material that might be done in a way that might be promoting. And so that's that was the reason that was given to me. So that that was a complete and total lie and I what and I can prove it to you and we don't have to put this in the episode Rep. Rep. Berles, but I want you to know that is a complete and total lie. And you and I should see I should display the evidence to you so you can really understand what happened because what happened that day was so much bigger than just um a page not getting into congressional record. Thank you for your time, sir. Oh, go ahead. >> I I mean, if it's really important to you, that's fine. It's I I will say I didn't take anything from it, Jeremy. I don't really >> Yeah. No, it is >> worried about what my impressions were. I don't really I didn't take anything from that. >> No, no, I'm not worried about your impressions. I just wanted to know if you think it's a a legal matter that the congressional record was fabricated, then you need to know why because the congressional record was fabricated and and you need you should know why as a I don't need to put this in the episode as a friend. I want you to know because it's actually important. >> Okay. >> Um >> we're going to shame UFO World into uh helping to support their champion here at some point. you will have no fingerprints on it, but we're going to try to get some help to you and and Luna and Burchett and and others because uh you're doing great work and it takes courage. It takes courage to do this. I I imagine you get nothing but grief from colleagues who are not interested. Major media are not kind on on this issue as as you know. So, you know, we applaud your efforts. I hope you hang in there. >> Thank you. I do the the only negatives I I got that was kind of the most harsh was I had my um in my district I have a state senator who's a pretty moderate squishy state senator and he went on radio um and has in interviews been mocking me for for being involved in this topic. Uh but you know but but I don't think he has the guts to run against me. So but that but yeah you're I appre any any help is very much appreciated. I'm not I'm not doing it for the help, but um you my you guys want to see my my new puppy dog? >> Yeah. Oh, so much. >> There you go. >> What's the What's the name of your puppy dog? >> Oakley. >> Oak. >> She is cross between a poodle and an Australian shepherd. >> So, an Aussie doodle. >> She likes to lick. I um was not allowed to bring my puppy dog with me because I have to be by Mad Max and the Godfather today. I'm in a remote location, but I was going to bring my boy. That's so cute, man. How long have you had the puppy dog? >> We got her in right before Christmas. >> Cool. See, there's a campaign commercial right there. There's the image right there. >> Thank you. Thanks, Eric. It was great talking to him as always. You know, u these members of Congress, I don't think people realize that they are always in campaign mode in effect because to stay in office, they have to raise money for their campaigns. They run every two years. The members of the House, they're always in campaign mode. So, uh, they have to raise money for their campaigns. And Representative Burlson wouldn't say this publicly, and I doubt Tim Burchett or Representative Luna would either, but pursuing UFO truth is a loser for them in terms of what it means for their campaigns and their political survival. You know, they spend time on this thing and uh you know, time taken away from other issues and duties and and what do they get? They get grief from critics. They get hit pieces from mainstream media. They get almost zero financial support from UFO World. There aren't any or at least not many UFO folks who kick in a few bucks to help reelect the members who are doing the heavy lifting on this issue uh risking their careers and credibility uh to try to pierce the veil of secrecy. You know, very few, if any, people who have watched Eric Berles's interviews on this issue on various platforms take the time to write a check for 10 bucks, for 25 bucks or something to help keep him in office and keep him in the hunt for truth on this. Just I'm just putting it out there. You know, UFO curious people in Missouri who live in his district, his home state, should step up if they think he's doing a good job on this issue and others. And same for Tim Burchett, Representative Luna. Uh, a lot of Democrats are interested in this, Jeremy. We've seen that, uh, you know, this be the only bipartisan issue in Congress. We've seen it firsthand at these various hearings. Uh, Moscowitz, for example, Jamie Rascin asked some pretty good questions, uh, at one of those hearings. and just putting it out there. Uh uh say something that I think those members of Congress would be reluctant to say for themselves, but if you can handle uh a few bucks uh to help reelect some of these people, you should keep that in mind. >> Yeah. I re I really feel like I said, you know, many times over the last year, we need in the UFO world, we need a people's champ. And you know, we we do have some. And I think Rep. Berles, you know, that's a Muhammad Ali reference. You know, Rep. Ferison is the people's champ. You know, he'll rope a dope. He'll play around. He is strong and and he is he has gotten access to things that we've only dreamed that people were were going to be told that they're going to get get access to. To be clear, um I think he's publicly said that, you know, he saw where something could be held but didn't see anything yet. But that he's got a shot. You know, you got a shot. And um I think my earlier donkeyote comment um because I don't really know the fable. How I saw it was that you've got a guy that's up against like you said like the windmill something indomitable, right? Or you're you're you don't know what you're looking at but they're big and you're up against it. We we all got to we all got to get behind them. You know he's the people's champ but we're the people indefinable mysterious power that pervades everything. I feel it though I do not see it. It is this unseen power which makes itself felt. >> Sorry, that's like literally my alarm that my my wife hates that because she's like Gandhi can never be more annoying. But you know there's >> she's power. >> Yeah, it happens a lot. I have to remember to brush my teeth and stuff. But um anyways, back to Donkeyote. So and people's champ what what I'm feeling like is we're the people. We have to fight for the people fighting for us. So, I don't know if Donkey Hote had some homies that held helped him fight or if he even won the battle against the indomitable, but that's what Rep. Berles, Rep. Luna, um Rep. uh Burchett and others that are never be named are up against. How did that fable end or what did he gain compared to what he thought he would gain? Do you know in that parable? >> True love, you know. >> Oh, wow. So he he doesn't um he doesn't physically defeat his uh his opponent and it's an impossible it's the impossible dream. That's a song from it. Uh but uh in the end he's uh he he re maintains his dignity and is a considered a valiant uh hero. So >> well let let's do better than that. He's got true love because I saw his little puppy right there. Right. And and let's let's um let's topple with those windmills or let's find out what the windmills are, you know? Let's let's fight, man. the the if if he's going to be the people's champ in any way, then the people need to fight, too.