Europe's Economic Crisis, War Risks, and Global Power Dynamics Explained

It's the economic side that is pushing Europe towards needing war. And if they don't do that, then the problem they see

is that when the pensions fail, uh the euro is failing, then people are going to pick up their pitchforks and storm

the parliaments. The whole COVID scam stuff like that was for climate change. I had inside information that coming

from the WF 3 months before anybody even heard of the word COVID. Phone calls were being made, get out of the markets,

a virus is coming. The whole reason for the migrant crisis initially began under this theory that the birth rate is

falling. So therefore, they need more people to come in because all these pension funds are on Ponzi schemes. and

then it has migrated to itself to using these people. They think they're go they can draft them into war against Russia.

I can tell you I was on the phone with uh people from Romania and they were instructed I'm not sure what's in the

news the press yet but I was told directly that um they were instructed to take a 100,000 migrants in uh from

Middle East and and Africa. And so why you know what are these people? No skills, nothing. Uh don't even speak the

language. Basically just for soldiers. >> Welcome to Discourse with Christian. I'm your host Christian White. And today is

of course a returning guest Martin Armstrong, the founder of course of Armstrong Economics. Martin, how you

been? Thanks for carving out the time today. >> Oh, not too bad.

Hanging in there. Just watching the world go crazy all the time. Well, um, obviously there there's

there's a lot going on with, you know, I figured we we'd start off with your your latest thoughts going on around the

world. >> Well, you have um

you had news finally coming out that France and and Britain, you know, may have to apply for an IMF loan. Uh I mean

this is what I've been talking about that the um the economic conditions of Europe are

just pathetic. Uh you can look on um you know on the Federal Reserve database and just compare the the quarterly

economic growth of of the EU to the United States. It's a tiny fraction. I mean they're falling apart. It's

crumbling. Um, and this has been the incentive for war. Um,

and you know, it it's it's a classic psychological

um phenomenon that even that Freud even understood and it's called projection.

And you project onto others what you would do yourself. And

when you look at the actions of all these world leaders in Europe uh and these neocons and it's

it's stark raving mad madness. I mean they are fulfilling exactly what Freud said. Um

and you know when Kruef was there and said we will bury you know he was a real believer in communism

and he actually believed that stuff that communism is going to defeat capitalism. So it was more dogma

and um uh when Yelson was getting attacked by the

neocons over here and then the the the the communists on the other side had filed a motion for impeachment and they

turned to Putin and Putin wasn't a communist and he wasn't an oligarch and the people cheered his his

popularity was over 70%. More than any American president ever had, mainly because they did not want to

go back to communism and they were sick and tired of the of their, you know, um, oligarchs who were basically trying to

sell Russia to line their own pockets. Really, that's really what was going on. Um,

so I mean they're not interested in returning to that sort of a lifestyle anymore than the people in

Eastern Europe are or even China for that matter. Um, so I think that you know what they

constantly do. I mean, you have that video of Lindsey Graham with Zillinski saying,

"Oh, this is the best money we ever spent to kill Russians." They're still living in the 50s.

Oh, they want to spread communism to the whole world, so we're going to spread democracy to the whole world. Well, that

stopped. But you didn't. You know, I had arguments with Bill Crystal back in in the 90s.

You know, we removed Saddam Hussein uh out of Iraq, Assad out of Syria, and Gaddafi out of Libya. We'll bring peace

to the Middle East. I said, "You're out of your mind." You know, they judge others like they're

a country, but we drew these borders. We carved up the Ottoman Empire, and their ethnic differences the same as you saw

in the Balkans. When Czecha Slovakia split, it was Czech Republic versus Slovakia. Yugoslavia

broke up all along ethnic lines. That's what's going on in Ukraine. The Donbas are Russians and the rest aren't. I

mean, um, these differences are there for a, you know, for centuries.

in the Middle East they see themselves as Sunni Shiite Kurd uh and that comes first. They never saw themselves as a

nation. Um so I mean these are delusional things and they project

exactly as Freud said, whatever they think upon somebody else and u it's just not the same.

You can't do that. Um, so this is all you you see and my opinion is that they have usurped

um American foreign policy. Um, that was why they pushed Biden in and they wanted they were they wanted

him to run again because he's just, you know, one of those dolls on the back of a car with the head keeps popping,

you know. um they got to do whatever they wanted. Um

you take you know blink these people only look at what they want to achieve.

He removed Russia from the Swift system. Oh, I'll punish you. All right. Then he actually threatened China.

You help Russia, we'll do the same to you. as if the United States can rule the

world. What happened? Okay, so they all started leaving. They created bricks,

their own clearing systems. I can't blame them, you know. And and even India,

we're not going to be dictated to. you're not we're not a a a plebe and and the Roman Republic, you know. Um

but this is the their attitude. They they usurped American foreign policy

and put in their own agenda that has nothing to do with the American people or our country. You can look on

uh on YouTube and and I suggest looking at um Robert McNamera's apology for taking into Vietnam.

And I guess he wanted to clear his conscience before he died because 58,000 Americans died in that

fiasco. And he said, "We thought Russia was involved."

So we were defending our democracy and all this other kind of stuff and then he admits we were wrong. Russia wasn't

involved. It was just a civil war. Fine. 58,000 Americans died because you were wrong.

All right. And how many millions of other people died? That that's what I mean. They project on

other people what they think. um

and and they don't listen or they only hear what they want to hear. Um

you know, they they say, "Oh, well, Putin won the resurrected the the USSR." No, he didn't. They took a comment that

he said um at the fall of the Roman Empire of the Zars,

okay, was a great tragedy. He also criticized Lenin and there were even you can Google it up

there. They were questioning if he said he wasn't a statesman, he was just a bolevik.

And so he wasn't praising the USSR. He was praising the old Roman, you know, uh the old Russian Empire of the Zars.

And there were even speculation that he was going to remove Lenin's tomb. from from Moscow and he said, "No, I'm not

going to do that. It would cause too much of too much civil unrest and a pro, you know, a problem." Um,

but they go, "Oh, see, he wanted to re resurrect communism and US art." He didn't want to do that. Um, you know,

they don't look at the second half where he's criticizing the Bolsheviks. Um, so I mean you have to listen to, you

know, everything and and stop judging everybody by what you think, what you would do.

I saw it in Australia. They built they felt sorry for these aboriges. Oh, they're sleeping in riverbeds. So they

built them uh housing, some apartments, and furnished them. They went in, took the furniture, took it out, and used it

as firewood. So, you know, I sleep under the stars. To them, that's like sleeping in a

prison cell. You know, it you can't judge everybody by what you think is norm.

And I I don't know. And until we just need a new crop of of leaders in Europe, and we got to get rid of these neocons.

I mean, um, they're the ones taking us into war and it it's just

like, you know, me walking into a bar and I punch you in the mouth. Why'd you do that? Go, well, I knew you really

wanted to hit me. So, it's self-defense, you know. Um, it's nice theory, but it does, you know, it's not practical, but

this is the way they are. they they everything is um they're still fighting communism like

McCarthy from the 50s. Um and you know, you just had Ursula coming

out and saying they're drawing up definitive plans to to send troops into Ukraine.

And then what will happen? Europe needs war. This is an old

strategy goes back into ancient times. All right? When you're failing, you need an

external enemy. Otherwise, they're going to come get you. Um,

and you know, you've got France and Britain on the verge of people even discussing

IMFs. And France is one of the largest economies

in the EU. I mean, the whole thing is just screwed. I mean, I' I've spoken to

people in France. They call Mcronone the petite Napoleon. You know, he wants to conquer. They they

delusional. They even have proposed that if they conquered Russia and they listened to the neocons,

oh, they're weak, they could be taken. You had Kinzinger who was uh on the January 6 thing said we could defeat

Russia in three days. Three days. So I guess five days for China and then we rule the world. What? Um and who's

going to save us from them, you know? But um I it's just getting to be completely

nuts. They think if they can conquer Russia, they have 75 trillion in assets. And what I have heard is that they think

if they get their hands on that, then that's twice the size of the US national debt and Europe will rise again like the

Roman Empire. They're just nuts. Um, they always went past glories.

You know, I've been up to lunch in London, you know, and you get a few drinks and and they go, you know, the

sun still doesn't set on the on the British Empire. Yeah. Okay. Okay. You know, and Tokyo, the same thing. I've

been to to dinners, you get a few drinks in the old guys, they emperor still god, you know. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um,

Turkey got Arerodan, you know, drooling over the prospect of resurrecting the Ottoman Empire. Um,

we handed a few a handful of jets to Greece and made the front pages. They said, "Now we can do a sneak attack on

Turkey." you know, um I mean, you know, they're two NATO countries, but that hatred goes back to

the days of Alexander the Great. I think that's why a lot of people fled Europe, came to America. Um they

wouldn't get away from all that you know, and that's why Americans were always isolationists.

Uh, I was watching a documentary on FDR and he went to Boston to try and justify sending troops to get into World War II

because Congress would always say no. Uh, until Pearl Harbor and and the Irish said, "You really

expected us to send our boys to go defend the Brits after what they did to us in Ireland?" I mean, you know, this

was what you saw. It was like um you know they basically came here to get away

from all that stuff and that's why Americans were always isolationist. They didn't want to get

involved. Um and thanks to our neocons they keep

trying to get us involved in everything. But uh uh you know this is this is what you're really looking at. It's

um I warned Europe. They came to me when we were forming the Euro. I told them how

to do it. They um I told them it was going to fail. And

this is the risk. We saw that with Greece in 2010 when they needed an IMF loan.

Um what happened? You know, all the traders shortened Greece, made a fortune. Who's next? Oh, Spain. Yeah,

this is the way capital functions. Okay, you're in a trading room and everybody's like, "Okay, what's next?"

You know, um everybody was in Tokyo for 89. Then what happened? Oh, okay. What's next? Oh, Southeast Asia. Then that

peaks in 94. All right. Then, oh, what's next? Oh, the euro. They're coming for the euro. It runs back the other way.

This is capital acts like a herd of wild animals, you know. I mean, it's I've been doing

this for more than, you know, close to 50 years. And I've seen it all the time. This is how it works. Um,

and I warned Europe that if they did not consolidate the debt, this is going to be the problem. Just

look at all the peripheral interest rates. You have a single currency, that's fine, but every country pays a

different interest rate according to the credit rating. I said, 'L we have a single currency in the United States.

Um, single rate only applies to the federal government. You have 50 states and they

pay different rates according to their credit rating. All right, that's what will happen in

Europe. Now, the problem here, California could go bust and the traders are going, "Oh, okay.

Who's next? Oh, maybe Illinois." All right. They're not going to go to the feds. It's a different his different

system in Europe when you don't have that federal debt.

France goes down. Oh, who is next? Oh, look at Germany. They're they're maybe ready to pull off, you know, go off the

edge as well. And you'll get the same kind of contagion. It will run and attack one currency to

another. You can read It's free online. Herbert Hoover's memoirs go to 1931.

Same thing happened. French started attacking the Austrian bonds. Germany tried to support Austria. The French

then turned on Germany. Brits tried to help Germany and they all ended up defaulting.

And Hoover in his memoir said, "Capital acted like a a loose cannon on the deck

of a ship in the middle of a torrent hurricane life. It was shooting off in every which direction so fast they said

we couldn't form a committee quick enough to figure out where it was going next." That's how capital moves.

to understand a debt crisis in Europe can send the dollar up dramatically.

Um mainly because you got to park your money someplace. All right? So World War I, World War II,

the capital came here. Even the Suez Canal crisis, capital came to the dollar. Cuban missile crisis, no.

because the the the risk of conflict was here. So capital moves away from wherever the

risk of conflict is. If China went into Taiwan, Japanese capital is coming to America.

This is simply the way it works. You always move your money away from wherever you know the the geopolitical

event is. You're not going to leave your money in a bank with tanks driving down the street blowing up, you know, blowing

up every building. I mean, come on. Um, so this is the risk that we see going forward. And so it's the economic

side that is pushing Europe towards needing war.

And if they don't do that, then the problem they see is that when the pensions fail, uh the

euro is failing, then people are going to pick up their pitchforks and storm the parliaments.

Every revolution, look at them, they basically start over taxation and debt.

French Revolution, American Revolution, no taxation without representation. You know, taxes and debt have caused

more revolutions than than any other issue throughout history. You know, even the you go back to the

plebes, they were in 494, you know, BC, they walked out, refused to work. they

forced political change in in the Roman Republic. Um debt was even worse then that if you

couldn't pay then then to satisfy the debt you became a slave and take your kids and sell them into

slavery. So it was a little bit you know much more serious back then. Um but you know just look at most of them

you know it's it's always these issues yet you know for some reason I don't know why but

vast majority never pays attention to it. you mentioned about debt. You had me,

you know, you um over in uh the uh during the uh Roman period, um you just mentioned about uh it was more egregious

if if if uh if you were indebted and such, you know, with the children and such. Um you reminded me of uh uh

debtor's prison and such going back a couple hundred years ago. And a lot of prominent people uh throughout the ages

have have had to do that and such. um uh as it relates to Europe and in particular um the European leaders and

such. I I just saw today that apparently and I'm looking at my notes here real quick that I guess six AFD

um candidates have have died under questionable more or less circumstances. Um do do you care to share any

commentary on that? Look, they've used assassinations

um pretty prominent. I would say it became a real theory

um in you know during the 19th century you know Lincoln etc.

um McKinley, Garfield, I mean these were um you know it was the anarch

theory that you remove a head and then you get the political change. Um justified in that it's uh you're only

killing one person instead of war. Um but

uh look they you know this is why they tried to assassinate Trump. They took out Kennedy. Same similar

reasons. He didn't want to go into Vietnam. Um the Bay of Pigs. Neocons took him out. I

mean, there was a letter I posted on my site that came out of the papers that were finally declassified. A CIA agent

told his family in New Jersey that the CIA had killed uh JFK and he was concerned about his life

and he was found shot to death I think within a few weeks. Um

I mean this is look they tried outlawing AFD. Um

this represents a tremendous risk of power loss to them.

Um and it it even is less than I I would say not

um they it's not even over philosophy. It it's I have to retain this power. We

can't let them in. And they tried outlawing it. uh they called them Nazis, everything and AFD became the number one

party in in Germany. Too much of a threat. Um

you see this pretty consistently through throughout history. um you know they

uh what I ended up involved they were asking they were trying to take over Russia

and they were you know blackmailing Yeltson and then that was to be putting in their puppet Boris Barisnowski

and his bodyguard said that MI6 took him They couldn't say Putin did because he

wrote letters to Putin which became public and they were called his begging letters. So why would you know if Putin

wanted to kill him? Fine. Yeah, come on back. Go in and over there. And so they said uh oh he commits suicide.

Epstein. Oh suicide. You know, there was another suicide for, you know, I spoke to people on on investigating

the Vince Foster supposed suicide. There videos of them. Oh, he he was shot in in in an office someplace.

Part of his skull was gone. They took the body to a a park. um never found the missing part of the

skull, but he killed himself there. And then there was a video of them. Oh, how'd he get there? Then they forgot.

And somebody picked his car and drove it there to pretend he drove himself there. You look I mean this stuff is

this is what they do. you know, it it they routinely

resort to um assassinations. They call it, you know, suicide. As soon as you hear that word,

what was behind it? Um, you have Maxwell, her father, Robert

Maxwell, was under subpoena, lost 200 million pounds of illegal trading with the club.

Um, but it was money that was taken from the pension funds

and oh, he he suddenly fell off his yacht and drowned. you know, a week before he's subpoenaed

and supposed to show up to testify. How about that? Very interesting. You know, I won't say who, but when somebody was

asking me to join the club, I just said, I do know how to swim. And uh remarkers, well, you know, things

happen. I said, yes, I know things happen. Okay. But I mean, look, this is

standard. I mean, they will take out anybody that um

is a threat to their power. I was asked to go meet with Ross Perau. I was I was in Tokyo, so I changed my

flight to Texas. That was the weekend he withdrew and he came out, oh, they're threatening my daughter's wedding or

some nonsense. Um, that wasn't it. He had a an airport, like a cargo type private airport,

and they accused him of, "Oh, that's where drugs are coming in. Step out or all this is going to come up

in your face." Oh, I'm um you know, my daughter's wedding that threatened is disrupted, so

he's not going to run for president. Yeah, right. Um look, I I I've just seen more than I

wanted to ever see in my life. I don't trust a damn thing that they say um on anything. Um as soon as you hear

somebody, oh, suicide, question it. Um and um take Epstein.

Look, there's no way they could possibly have a trial. He could start calling in all the people

who were there. All right. Call in Bill Clinton. Call in. Did you really have sex with her?

Yes or no? Can you imagine a trial like that? I mean, there's no way. Oh, he committed

suicide. Very convenient, you know. Um, this is what they do. It's it's uh standard operating procedure.

Uh there was one, I don't remember the guy's name, but there was some somebody connected to the Clintons

um shot himself with a shotgun in the chest and hung

himself. So the question always was, well, did he hang himself first or did he shoot himself first?

I forget which one that is. You can probably Google it and find out. I forget his name. But I mean, this is the

nonsense and that, oh, it was a suicide. Yeah, okay. Suicide, you know, somebody shoots me in the head

from 14, you know, from, you know, 1500 feet away, it's a suicide. Um, it was a remote gun, you know, uh,

who the heck knows? I mean it just but you know they know that the press will not tell the truth so why why

bother >> then yes and and I also want to add the uh the prosecutor I guess who was going

after the Biden administration um I think she was maybe in her she was maybe about 40 give or take you know she had

an apparent suicide I mean I mean it's just crazy how many people you know whistleblowers things of that nature um

let's see here gosh I can go off in a in in a million different directions. Um, well, I'll just ask you this and and I

know sometimes it gets uh I guess controversial, especially, you know, people in in the conservative area and

such. Um, what what's your take on the the state of Israel because um you hear about the Epstein stuff, you hear about

MSAD, you hear about the things over in Gaza. I don't know if you care to share your personal commentary on that. Um,

I'm just curious to hear your your your your take on that and things going on over in the Middle East.

Um, I I think it's been a PR disaster for Israel, what they've

done in Gaza really. Um, uh, and there

there is a a problem with any of these types of terrorists or whatever. Um,

even Zullinski, Saddam Hussein, they all use it. What do they do? They they put

military um production or targets or or whatever

deliberately in residential areas. Uh they used the people as a cover and oh see they killed all these civilians.

Why? What was there? Uh Zillinsky uh has just done done that. And if you look closely, you'll see what what Russia

actually when they oh they hit a big they hit Kiev. Why? All right. Look at what they they did.

The same thing with Israel with taking on embassies, stuff like this. Um, uh, it's pretty standard.

Saddam Hussein, they, you know, put military assets in civilian areas. It's to protect them and then if they take

them out, oh, see, they killed all these civilians, women and children. Um, it's pretty standard uh in in

military. Uh, so I I I think you know the um Hamas has done a

a good job as far as uh PR against Israel. Um, Israel's taking the bait on too many things, but also

um, BB is a neocon. He went to school in Philadelphia.

I grow grew up in that area. He was friends with Bill Crystal. Um, Bill Crystal's father started the

neocon movement. BB was at the Crystals family affairs. He is um died in the wool neocon.

They used him to get to Trump. Um

I think Trump thought, "Okay, fine. He's a head of state." But he's no different than John Bolton

or the rest of them. Um and uh look he was

my sources that said look they what Israel does they try to to eliminate um the leadership

and Trump they took out a lot of the the top people in in I in Iran and um

Trump stepped in and said, "No, do not assassinate the Ayatollah." Um,

I passed on information. Maybe they acted on it or they didn't. I'm not sure. The problem with taking him out,

it would be like um a Protestant assassinating the the Pope. About on average 25 to 30%

of the people in of these other countries, Egypt, etc. are Shiite. So he's the leader of the Shiites. Yes.

Also Iran, true. but he's perceived to be um kind of like you know the head of of

that religion. The same thing you see with uh Zalinsky in Ukraine. Uh he's outlawed the religion because they you

know um Eastern or Orthodox is you know reports basically to the patriarch of Moscow.

So, um, he outlawed the religion. You know, you and he sets up a patriarch and in Kiev, you have to worship him, not

Boscow. You know that you can't do this kind of stuff. Um, but

so with Israel, uh, look, they did a a good PR job, um, against it.

I do think that um taking the bait uh and

going after the terrorists who plant themselves in residential areas

uh for PR purposes shouldn't have done that. Um

so it creates more of a problem and Then you have like Arodan saying that um uh supporting Hamas etc because he wants

to be the next Khalif and uh the Ottoman Empire. Israel was part of the Ottoman Empire.

So he wants to resurrect that as he's said many many times in speeches. Um so it's it's

it's just a real mess. Um and uh I don't see it as um something that's

solvable because then you have a bunch of um

cabalists in the Jewish faith and then you have uh evangelical Christians and they all want to deliberately certainly

bring on Armageddon because they think that uh Christ will return to the Jews will be

the Messiah. Um and you know there you know rebuilding the

temple all this stuff. I mean it's you you know you actually have people deliberately trying to do that there.

Um, I mean, they're keeping a a pretty tight uh protection around the Dome of the

Rock. Um, that's where the the Jewish temple was. I don't know if anybody's ever been

there, but I mean, I' I've been there. There is this huge rock in there. And

to the Jews, this is the rock that Abraham brought his son to sacrifice. And to the Muslims, this is the rock

that Muhammad ascended to heaven from. Same rock. And anybody's been to the Middle East,

I've toured the whole area. It's like I don't know. I mean, it's like, no.

Whenever somebody said something happened here, no, no, no. Somebody else did this. The exact same spot.

I've been to the church of of um the crucifixion there. It was built by I think it was um

may have been initially constructed um after uh Constantine's mother. It's very old. And it has the um the man

where the three crosses were. Then on the other side of the church is is Christ's tomb.

Well, every Christian sect has uh is there. So, you have Eastern um Orthodox, you have Chris, you know,

Catholicism. They have not been able to agree on how to finish the church.

You go there, it's still like it was probably more than a thousand years ago. So if they can never agree on how to

finish it, what hope do you have in the Middle East?

Religion gets in there, it's there's no negotiation. Crazy stuff. Crazy stuff. Um wanted to

um real quick revisit uh Europe real quick. Um I have down in my notes and I'm I'm borrowing this uh from I was

listening to Alex Craner on another show. He mentioned about and I'd love to hear your take on this. I have down you

know he mentions you know about money lending oligarchies uh sacrifice nations and populations to weaken Russia. He

mentions about uh cut welfare pensions health education to fund wars. Use propaganda excuse me plus youth

unemployment to manufacture soldiers and things of that nature. I don't know if you care care to share your thoughts or

unpack that you know if you have any commentary. I don't know about all that but what I do know is that um

what has happened is that the um the whole reason for the migrant crisis initially began

under this theory that the birth rate is falling. So therefore they need more people to

come in because all these pension funds are on Ponzi schemes and

they only uh survive provided you're increasing generation by generation. When you start

getting in one generation declining versus the previous and there aren't enough taxpayers to pay off the previous

one. So that was the initial idea. Uh and then it has migrated to itself to

using these people. They think they're go they can um draft them into war against Russia.

Um, I can tell you I was on the phone with uh people from Romania and they were instructed, I'm not sure

what's in the news, the press yet, but I was told directly that um they were instructed to take a 100,000

migrants in uh from Middle East and and Africa. And so why you know what are these

people? No skills, nothing. Um don't even speak the language. Um basically just for soldiers

and I think it's a huge mistake. Um an example from history is the emperor of Allens.

um around 360 uh AD what happened was um you had uh the GS petitioning to come in because the Tilla

of the Hun was moving from Asia to to Europe. So they came in, the emperor thought,

"Okay, fine. I'll train them to be soldiers, build up my army to to go against the tilla, train them."

Everything else they said, "Oh, thank you." What did they do? They turned on the emperor, killed them in battle, uh,

and conquered it themselves. Um, I don't see these migrants actually willing to go die to defend

Europe from Russia. I I just don't see it. Um, and but look, they as you know, as I said, these

people just project onto others and they think that, okay, fine. I write a law and you're

going to have to obey it or else. Or else what? All right. Um, and you're not talking

about an individual. You're talking about they want in Romania, they want them taking 100,000.

That's a pretty good size army. Um, so I don't know. I mean I look

economically Europe is a basket case. Um the pensions are going to start um with serious

problems there. I warned them. Then they went to negative interest rates. You're striplining the pensions and the banks

because by law on average they have to have 70% government debt. So when you went negative, so you're now

extracting money out of the pension funds and you know, and you say this to these

people and it's like, oh yeah, I see what you're talking about. Yeah, that's interesting. That's it.

Um, and they kept it up for what, almost 10 years.

Didn't stimulate the economy at all. just allow government to grow higher and bigger and stronger. That's it.

>> Crazy. Crazy. Um, as it relates to I I wanted to um one of the things I've been bringing up

for those who who who watch the show um consistently, I'm I'm I'm very fascinated by power structures and

things of that nature. And and I know offline you you mentioned about how or I should say in the past that um a lot of

these uh politicians and such are not as um not as smart as as is portrayed and such, but you know people kind of behind

them. I um I mentioned about how I was watching a video on X. Some people have already heard of him, but Archbishop uh

Vagano who was excommunicated um by then Pope Francis I believe he mentioned about um the Clintons, John

Podesta, things of that nature. And you know, I'm I'm I'm bringing this up because as I try and go down the rabbit

hole, given the time that I have, I mean, not everyone has time like you and I to like kind of go down rabbit holes

and such, but I keep seeing the same consistent themes and it's it's just uh it's just very striking to me and um how

little attention it receives. And I can't believe that you had an Italian archbishop who who was how as high

ranking as he was mention about political figures, especially over in over in the States, uh being involved in

in trafficking and other nefarious activities. Um you know, I don't I don't know if you care to go down that rabbit

hole a little bit with me or or share your thoughts and things of that nature. >> I don't really know because I haven't

really looked at that whole piece of gate type thing. Um, all I can say is I know that there has

been this theory around for centuries that if you drink the blood or something of of someone younger that makes you

younger or something like that or transfuse the blood or whatever. Um, so I do know that that has existed

uh outside of this pizza gate thing. um are they um deranged enough to follow that to think that that you know will

pro prone their life? Who knows? I mean it's uh you know I think that uh

you take Kalash Schwab and this idea of of uh growing hearts and stuff like that,

you know, okay, mine's going to kick out, so so clone mine and give me a new one so I can live another 50 years or

something. Uh, I mean there are definitely people that are afraid to die.

Um, you know, I I uh and seem to go to whatever lengths they possibly can to do

so um to avoid it. But um as they say, that's life. you know, you know, if you're drinking

the blood of goats or young kids or whatever. I don't think that's really g going to change things. Uh I don't

particularly believe in that. Um I'm not sure I would I'd want to prolong here anyhow. I'm you know,

it's uh Scotty wants to beat me up. I'm I'm ready. I I think humanity is just what I see. It's just

we got the worst crop of world leaders ever in my entire life that I've ever witnessed.

I mean, he used to be thoughtful and but um

like I I've said before, I was part of the vetting process for people that wanted to be present. They would send me

in to explain how the world economy, how we're all connected really worked. And then 1999, I was asked to go

uh they said they wanted me to go meet with uh Bush Jr. They said fine. They said, "Oh, no, but this one's

different." I said, "What's different?" They said, "No, he's really stupid." And then they use those words.

And I said, "Excuse me?" Um, I said, "Why would you make somebody stupid president?"

Whereas before it was always, "Do you think he's smart enough?" Um, and they said, "Well, he's got the name,

so we can win." That was 99. They picked the cabinet.

I was even asked to to take chief economic advisor. I said, "No thanks. I'm not interested." Uh, and

so when Trump first came in, they did the same. Oh, you're not a politician. We have to

give confidence to the world that the government's going to be run properly. And he listened and they stuffed his

cabinet with everybody that stabbed him in the back. All right. this time. This is why he

picked his cabinet before he even got there. He They're not going to do this to me

again. This is the way the deep state controls things. Yeah, I've witnessed it myself.

It's um you know, they picked Dick Cheney. They he was really president. He decided to

take us into Iraq. Wasn't Bush. Um, I mean this is the this is what it is. That's the power. It's the deep state.

I think people are beginning to realize that more. But um it's the same thing taking out AFD people. It's the deep

state everywhere you go. The unelected bureaucrats when they created the the Euro zone, the

EU. Look at it. Ursula the president never stands for election. Google her. She's never even stood for election for

a dog catcher. Never. She's appointed. Okay. But they call this democracy. You have no right to vote. You didn't

put her in and you can't get rid of her. The people that make up the laws, the commission, unelected.

You elect a parliament for a dog and pony show, they have no power to create any

legislation. Look a little bit closer. They deliberately eliminated the ability of

the people to change government. That's what's so wrong about Europe. where I do, you know, you know, podcasts

from Sweden, Netherlands, all the way down to Palmo.

Three years ago, they would say, "You really think the EU is going to fall apart?" I go, "Absolutely."

And now I get, "When? We've had enough." Um, and you could see it. Um, it's all coming to a head.

I don't think the EU will last beyond um 2029, honestly. Uh, it's it's uh

it's a real problem. And it, you know, you they deliberately set it up so that the people have no

right to vote. Canadians are starting to get upset. Carney didn't stand for for

um who made Carney the head. He didn't run for that. The party appoints him.

People have had enough of this parliamentary nonsense. Um look at our election. All right. I

warned RFK's people. I said, "Look, my sources say they're not going to

allow him on the ticket." Oh, come on. They didn't allow him on the ticket. Then he had some sort of deep state

person on his staff giving him the that he could win independently.

I warned them. I said, "My computer says you don't stare at a prayer in hell of winning."

And I said, "You want to make a difference, you better join Trump because that's not

going to happen." And he joined Trump only after New York. He

was on the he applied to run as an independent and New York kicked him off the ballot.

Then he finally realized, okay, what I was warning was correct. This is not my opinion. I'm just telling

you what I know from direct sources. You know, I always try to, you know, the computer forecasts or the,

you know, you can look at on the system, you can see the arrays and when it's projecting turning points, etc. It's not

my opinion. You know, opinions are okay, but we all have, you know, good ones and bad ones

at times. You know, maybe we you had too much to drink the night before and you didn't look at everything in the

morning. You know, whatever. Um, uh, from a human standpoint, nobody's can be right 100% of the time.

So, um, try to eliminate that human factor as much as possible. And um I was at a dinner in Berlin before the

election and I and they were all the press said, you know, Trump was evil. No way he was going to

win. I said, "I'm sorry. My computer says he's going to win and it's going to be big time."

Really, every newspaper says wrong. I said, "Sorry, this is what it is." I said, "But I do

know one thing." I said, "He is a threat to the neocons, and I think they're going to try and assassinate him." Then

they really thought I was nuts. After that took place, I got a phone call. Holy you really do know these

people. I said, "Look, I've been to dinner with them." All right. When you look in your in

their eyes, you do not see a warm light. Um it it's just the way they are. And it,

you know, it's um you have to understand you cannot judge everybody by yourself. Just because you wouldn't do something

doesn't mean they wouldn't. Um you know, and they act out of their own character and experience and beliefs.

Um there was, you know, a famous thing in the Middle East.

um in North Africa when um basically when uh Patton went in and he got there and the Brits were taking

these Arabs and torturing them where the Nazis that and they wouldn't talk. He said, "Knock this stuff off. Get the

biggest pig. Bring the pig in here." Pig? What you want with the pig? Bring the pig in.

All right. said, "See the pig? I'm going to kill the pig. And if you don't tell me what I

want to know, going to kill you. I'm going to bury you in the pig's skin, and you're never

going to see Allah." Never had to touch anybody. You know, this is what you you have. You

fight with what somebody else believes, not what you believe. Um,

simple as that. You know, it's uh they let in all these migrants into Germany. You can Google it up. They raped over a

thousand girls on New Year's Eve. I think it was back in 17 or something. The government,

what did they do? Oh, we can't allow the press to say that this really happened. So, they told the police to change all

the reports from rape to assault. They will. Nobody in government, I'm telling you, will they ever ever admit a

mistake. I mean, I when I was young and I thought I could

make a difference, I found I could met with the Treasury back in ' 81 when Fulker raised the interest rates

up. And I said, "Guys, national debt's going to double by the

end of the decade because of these rates." They very calmly said to me, "Yeah,

Mario, but we'll be paying back with cheaper dollars." I said, "So, you know what you're doing

then?" Um, look, I mean, I learned from

my efforts in Washington, I can go in and say, "If we don't do this, 25 million people will die tomorrow."

Well, maybe you're wrong. They'd rather the 25 million people die and then vote for me. I'll get the guy

that did it. From their perspective, if I ran for office and I said, "Vote

for me because I saved your job." And you say, "Well, how do I know I would have lost it?" It's better you

lose your job than I say, "Vote for me. I'll get the guy that did it. That's politics.

I've learned, you know, I've been in advising governments around the world. They're all the same. Doesn't matter.

Uh, whatever they want to call themselves. Um, and Plato, he recorded a debate between

Socrates and Thrasamakus. And Thrasamakus was right. He said, "Justice is the same in every form of

government. It's only the self-interest of those in power." Nothing's changed in 2,000 years.

Wanted to ask you as it relates to um you know, you mentioned about obviously we're talking of course about people in

power and you mentioned about the deep state earlier. Um I had G. Edward Griffin on uh last episode and he

mentioned about you know politics kind of being like the WWE and that right there it's all theatrics and such and

and you've got to your point you know deep state actors and such. Um when you when you go down that rabbit hole you

hear of the uh trilateral commission you hear about the committee of 300 and and and other different groups and such.

What's your take on those? And uh well I just I'll just I'll just leave it at that. I would love to hear your take on

those. >> Um, look, I have a a tape on my site,

the former president of France, Holland, with Merkel, uh, in the European Parliament.

And he openly states that the whole purpose of the EU was to prevent European war.

It's this is that theory that one government will prevent prevent war. And I said

it's total BS. I said the Roman Empire was one government. How many civil wars did they

have? You know it people are people. All right. But you do have the this

deranged idea of if we conquer everything, control

everything, one government, and we'll bring peace to the world. Doesn't work. Sorry. Um,

the only reason Rome functioned and worked

was that um they didn't have socialism or anything of that nature. I mean they

had a a um like a welfare state for widows and orphans. Yes. But um what

as long as everybody benefits then the Roman Empire

um it was more beneficial to be in it rather than out. So somebody in France could make their

pots and sell them to somebody in Syria. Um peace is achieved not through control

and one government. No, peace is achieved basically through economic ties.

You want peace with Russia and China, you don't put sanctions on.

Okay. Um, we basically, as long as it's beneficial to the Russian people,

they're not going to want a leader that's going to say, "Okay, we're going to war." Well, what do you mean I'm

going to lose everything that I'm doing? Even during the American Civil War, all

right, um Lincoln decreed that if you owed money to somebody in the South, you weren't allowed to pay them.

Um this is you know what happens. All right. So um if there are economic ties

and that everybody benefits that's what creates the peace. Um,

look, I mean, this is why people that, you know, oh, DD

dollarization, they don't, they don't understand the world economy at all. Um,

US consumer accounts for nearly a third of all consumer spending in the world. Germany's got to sell its BMWs. Japan's

got to sell his Toyotas to Americans. Okay. Um, China is selling their EVs and stuff.

That's what creates the peace. That's what also allowed Germany and Japan to rise from the ashes.

Okay. uh it's economic ties, not welfare or anything of that nature. Uh that doesn't build an economy.

And I can tell you that Europe, the big problem Europe has, it's still using the merkantile system.

We make stuff, sell it to everybody else. But look at Germany. They keep their taxes at record highs. The average

net worth of a German is less than that of an Italian. They're so afraid of

inflation. All right? Yet they suppress their own people.

China has looked at the European model and the American model. What are they doing?

They're trying to to build a consumerbased economy. resurrect the Silk Road, etc. All right.

Unlike Europe, after all these tariffs and stuff that Trump is trying to knock down out of

Europe, um after World War II, they put on draconian tariffs to pre, you know, prevent

anybody from competing with, you know, with their industry that was just starting to rise again. So, they

protected them. you couldn't import anything. Um, so it got very very you know

draconian. Um, and that's basically the smooth holly you heard about in here with terrorist

United States that was a response to the absurd tariffs in Europe. Um,

the Democrats completely misrepresented it back then as well because Smoot and Holly were two

Republicans from agricultural states and um they were putting in

terrorists to protect the farmers because Europe was producing and saying it over

here and because it was basically subsidized, they were undercutting American farmers.

So that's what the whole terrorists were about. And they didn't come in until the summer of 1930 after the market had

already started to crash. But in the 32 elections, they stood up and said, "Oh, the Great

Depression was caused by the tariffs of the Republicans." Which is total nonsense.

um I don't know one economist um that would ever support that

that theory um about that they they came almost a year afterwards and um they were all in agriculture

the economy was already falling apart and in 1927 there was the first G4 where Europe came and talked the Fed

into lowering interest rates and hopefully to divert capital back to Europe

and um you know the stock market ended up rising dramatically.

Uh they raised interest rates, they doubled interest rates between 27 and 29.

Um it was just a real mess and um it was all over trade and trying to manipulate capital flows one way or

another. And uh like I say, read Herbert Hoover's memoirs from 1931 might open your eyes.

>> What are some other things that might um open open people's eyes up? things things that you know that perhaps you

haven't been able to to share or maybe you haven't been asked that would um you know really really alter people's uh

perception of of things. Now it's just research that I've done um things like

fallacy of uh interest rates down stock market up stuff like that. It's uh it's total BS really. Um interest

rates always go down. They went from 6% to 1% between 29 32. Didn't help the market.

Um just look at you know the the great recession 07 into '09. Interest rates declined didn't stop the market.

Where is it that interest rates decline is bullish? Um,

you read the newspapers for 429 when rates went up, it was seen as bullish.

Shows there's still a demand for money. If people aren't interested in borrowing, then the economy is going to

go down. And as simple as that. It's it's uh we've done a you know plot of these

things out. We we I've written a lot about it on different on our blog. But um

look, the the stock market has never peaked with the same level of interest rates

twice. Um the high in interest rates on New York Stock Exchange was $18.99 almost

200%. 1929 was six. Why? Okay. 1899 it was a panic in

Britain and they needed money. So the British were selling all the assets in America to take the money home.

So it was a capital outflow. So as the capital left, interest rates went higher.

1929 because of World War I. All the money was here.

Then you had the you know auto big boom was kind of like a the dot bubble of the 20s. So they were all participating in

that. So the money stayed here. So you had capital concentration in the United States.

Um, so interest rates went up the least because there was more money around here slushing around than there was in 1899.

So it's it's as I said at the beginning, you know, capital moves like a herd of wild animals. It moves from one sector

within an economy as well as between um countries. Um we hear it oh that you know the AI

bubble oh.com bubble and then then everybody will focus on just that one sector.

Um and they do the same thing internationally. wanted to also um ask you about um you

hear different pundits talk about um like agenda 2030, transhumanism, you know, depopulation,

um you know, a myriad of other things. Um any any comments on that?

Look, I I can tell you that uh the whole COVID scam stuff like that was for climate change.

I I had inside information that coming from the WF three months

before anybody even heard of the word COVID uh um phone calls were being made, get out of the markets, a virus is

coming. All right. Why the whole I I even have a a video I put

it on the blog a few few days ago from the WF. Oh, the world is silent. You know how

great these lockdowns really are. Pollution declined. They pulled it. I have a copy of it. All

right. Um, and it was said, "Tell us how nice it was to to be locked down." Yeah. Then they go, "Uh, this wasn't very

good." So, they pulled it from, but I have a copy of it. Um, look at what they achieved.

They successfully reduce the number of people that go to an office. It's why we have a commercial

real estate crisis. All right. Um, people are working remotely

and ended commuting. The other theory that they were pushing, the WF was pushing dramatically was 15

minute cities all for climate change. All right. Um, the COVID thing, um,

that was for climate change. you you don't lock down everybody. It doesn't work anyhow.

Um I had a respiratory issue. I was tested three times for COVID

negative. My daughter says, "You got to go to the hospital."

She got me an appointment with the pulmonary head of pulmonary at Tampa Hospital.

All right. I go in say, "Look, I don't know what it is. It's not CO. Um, the head of polar, you know what he said

to me? No, we still think you had CO. The tests aren't valid. Okay, thank you.

Um, you know, what are you going to do? I mean look this 2030 all this nonsense of

climate change um reducing the population you know

it's you can also Google it up in the New York Times all right um

former you know Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg she got to the Supreme Court when Ro

versus Wade was there and it's right in New York Times had nothing to do with women's rights. It

was all about eugenics, reducing the population. Um,

that was Planned Parenthood started by Bill Gates's father. Um, look, it's I disagree with this

stuff. you know, but them and the Rockefeller, this is what they believed.

Um, so Gates is, you know, you got videos of him reducing the population, all this stuff.

Uh, climate change, they really believe this nonsense. Um, climate has always changed.

You know, there were in 1772, and you can look this up,

that was the first discovery of a of a completely frozen animal in Siberia, right? It was a a wooi rhinoceros, which

are extinct. That is what really propelled the age of enlightenment

because they were finding animals, mammoths with still grass in their stomach.

So it was like, huh? What? You're eating breakfast and you're suddenly frozen like like that, you

know? It was so dramatic and so quick.